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An apparent Vantage point for Fruit Trees amidst existing groves of other Species
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Rooney
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November 9, 2021 - 1:15 am

Recently, the other day an article I will post later spurred me to post again some of what's to me the most unusual sightings of apricots as far as being this side of the mountains and most durable in our conditions in the most unlikely thriving micro-climate of shading being cast on them almost all day long. The first I ever knew of was 'Briancon apricot', a species and probably the only one in P.N.W. known of. Then the imitation to it (second one) of mine, once reported here with three consecutive years of fruitful proof, and also thriving in a shaded micro-climate setting.

To go about what I mean slowly and point to point what I mean is as follows.

Compared #one, by Art Jacobson, and updated Sept 2021 with rate of growth since 2003 as per red updated text area within.
arthurleej.com/p-o-m-Sep03.html

...and the sighting for the sake of those not wanting to read his is all day long resides under a maple and evergreen cedar, both natives, have seen the site myself.

The second (comparable #2) I planted, a copycat of the first after his writing in 2003.
forums.homeorchardsociety.org/discuss/general-forum/the-right-apricot-climate/#p2888

...and looks at all three fruit-setting pictures and dates are all that's needing looked at here.

It's important to note now that -mine being north and in undersides all day long of native cottonwood trees as today's picture shows apricot encircled in white -per picture.
forums.homeorchardsociety.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/rooney/2021/11/Edit_2021-11-08_1.jpg

So for the book readers and the science behind the possible creation of viable apricot trees among established native tree populations -the supporting information on the latest of puzzling life lending traits in what we are curious, will paste it as following a google link. In turn page to the same subsection of the full article to seek out two more links (ie. 2017 and 2018), and the last 5 years of information will reside there.

Benefits alluding to Species Support system and my way of explaining relating Proofs and Findings here to Two exampled PNW apricots

Once the scientific concept is understood it kind of softens up on some of the former ideas talked about on fruit tree cultivar specific strengths for the previous apricot older discussion now doesn't it?

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John S
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November 9, 2021 - 4:49 pm

I would be very interested in growing this tree if we could get consistent harvests without excessive disease pressure on the west side of the Cascades.

John S
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Rooney
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November 9, 2021 - 5:50 pm

But you get the idea right? Concerning the idea that wild native stands of trees of any kinds can benefit fruit trees such as even apricots?

I had taken apricot grafts from that place under the cottonwoods. Once verified they do flower and fruit in my yard where there is an absence of cottonwoods or other established wild trees in my yard, yes I will share, as then it would be special as a PNW cultivar. Supposedly if this were PNW fruitable then I guess there must be some tendencies of less tamed apricots still yet around that have not forgot these natural associations with other unrelated trees.

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Rooney
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November 30, 2021 - 2:30 pm

Here is the link connected elsewhere on the same topic of my first post:
Species Support System via google etc

The easiest way of understanding what benefits offered to fruit trees or other plants in the ecosystem are to read into the following specifics from OSU by Ken Johnson (2010 etc):
Newly uploaded to HOS from my Copy

John intends to use biochar which likely will work with this apricot as long as the rootstocks under it is not from a very domesticated form. Many un-grafted seedlings from this tree in an un-grafted state are also likely to work as an undomesticated interface between soil microbiomes. The origin again is considered open pollinated from a 'moorpark' cultivar. The characteristics seem to indicate a relationship to some 'puget-gold' pollen that I took to the moorpark that pollination period. 

There has been more success heard on apricot survival rates in PNW conditions by just a limited amount of cultivars. The late Lon R (grape cultivator & MS.) has tried seedlings of what Raintree used to carry as 'chinese mormon' and per others as 'early montrose', however only one might contend with the one placed by myself under the cottonwoods. Others per Robert Purvis (PHD) might include 'puget-gold' and another he is familiar with of which name escapes me at the moment. 

It's also worth noting that as rootstocks any wild form of apricot of any other apricot species would generate hybrid vigorous progeny with these almost cultivated types and live most well in the influences of ground dwelling microbiota, and Robert has some very interesting species on his orchard in Idaho which can and will be used to further these purposes in the future..

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Rooney
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November 30, 2021 - 2:39 pm

elizabethjohn6654 said
I don't have much idea about trees and plants but I have been assigned to do research on it for the best marketing dissertation topics and its effects on the economy, so I think this post will be useful for me in the creation of this dissertation report. 

  

There is certainly lots of attention on the matters related to microbiota these days so anything brought forth in reading material towards the public eye inside of that topic would also be well received. Hopefully the 2010 publication can be made available through the library networks in your area for free like it is here. For obvious reasons I certainly recommend starting the necessary education there and from articles like that.

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December 1, 2021 - 2:16 pm

I will repeat my anecdotal apricot tree experience here since apricots are specifically mentioned:

I started observing a mature apricot tree (12" trunk, 20-ft height, 30-ft spread) on my SE Portland

city block in 1990. I observed it yearly. Over 25 years, it fruited not at all or sparsely in 23 of those

years. In two of those years, it fruited so heavily it was hard to step in between the fallen fruit.

The fruit was smallish for an apricot and of excellent flavor. Of the hundreds of Woodstock neighborhood fruiting trees I take

note of yearly, this apricot tree was far and away the most erratic. I doubt the homeowners over the years

took any special care of it and must have not appreciated the fruit as the tree was cut down c. 2015, the

last year it fruited.

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Rooney
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February 11, 2022 - 7:03 pm

Bad actor in post-8 targeting us for no good reason for being so far off topic. Please unsubsribe again. Thanks.

Here's a put back to the above topic:
Changes in plant inputs alter soil carbon and microbial communities in forest ecosystems

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August 12, 2022 - 8:28 am

The offending spammer is banned and the post deleted.

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Rooney
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August 12, 2022 - 1:02 pm

Jafar. Thanks for being on the spot about whatever it was you saw. 

Whoever it was (you or spammer) that bumped this topic to the top again thankfully renewed some reading as far as new research on soils. So if I recall from a long ago visit to your house that your native overstory is douglas fir, right? 

Did you know that litter from evergreens are less suppressive for soils against disease compared to litter from deciduous trees? 

Read carefully along the mid-section of the following link I'm going to post under the sub-section "Conclusion". 

sciencedirect.com article
ie: (5. Conclusions and application perspectives
This study shows that paper pulp and wood sawdust of deciduous tree species rapidly and consistently increase fungal biomass in arable fungal-poor soils, over a time-frame of two months)

These studies the conclusion refers to used Beech specifically, but other studies that also are very recent verify that all sawdust and paper pulp products from deciduous trees show better than the evergreens. Worth noting here is the cheapest products available to dress up potting soils and gardens are pine bark, not smart anymore!

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John S
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August 12, 2022 - 1:08 pm

Thanks for being on this, people.  We've been getting good as a team at getting rid of the SPAMMERS.

 

John S
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August 12, 2022 - 3:37 pm

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