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Wanted: Male (hardy) Kiwi branch in bloom
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jafar
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May 4, 2022 - 5:47 pm

My Ken's Red looks poised to bloom for the first time since it put out 3 or 4 flowers the year after planting.  It's probably been at least 8 years.  The other two females, and the male which was set back, aren't looking as precocious.

I'm wondering, when its time, if somebody has a blooming male hardy kiwi I can come by and snip a bouquet from, to pollinize my Ken's Red.  Assuming I'm not traveling at the time or something.  I'm East of Vancouver WA.

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davem
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May 5, 2022 - 12:21 pm

My males have buds for the first time (I've lost 2 males previously).  If you need just a small bouquet, let me know when yours are blooming and I'll see if my males are blooming.

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jafar
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May 5, 2022 - 12:49 pm

Excellent.  Thank you Dave!

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JeanW
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May 5, 2022 - 1:03 pm

Jafar,

You don’t necessarily have to have a male hardy for pollination.  I only have a male fuzzy, and he does the job just fine for my Ananasnaya and Jumbo hardies as well as my Hayward fuzzy.

JeanW

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jafar
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June 17, 2022 - 5:42 am

Thanks Jean, yes, I've heard that a fuzzy male will do the deed too. 

Dave, the bloom is looking imminent. Is your male blooming or about to?  If so, can I come pick some up this weekend?

 

@davem 

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John S
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June 17, 2022 - 2:16 pm

Yes, it's a great idea to watch here for a few weeks, because it's so much easier to identify them when they're blooming.

john S
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jafar
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June 17, 2022 - 6:58 pm

John, are you addressing me?  I'm not following.  I know my varieties.  Only Ken's Red is blooming. 

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John S
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June 20, 2022 - 9:07 am

Sorry Jafar,

I have some kiwi vines that I haven't labeled properly. I didn't mean you specifically, but I have seen nurseries where they've had terrible times identifying which vine they have until they are blooming.  The male and female look very similar until you can see the flower if they're not labeled specifically.

JOhn S
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jafar
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June 20, 2022 - 9:10 pm

In my case, only one of my 4 kiwi have bloomed.  It's Ken's Red, and it made a couple of fruit, with no male around, the first year it bloomed.  So I'm confident on this variety.

Dave gave me a couple of branches with male flowers today.  Thanks!  I was going to put them in a makeshift vase, but instead I grafted them to the vine.  I don't expect them to take, but should keep them from drying up I think.

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cmullin
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June 21, 2022 - 2:22 pm

Mine have not flowered yet(there are flower buds so soon I think) I hope this year I get male and female(last year was just female).  Jafar is summer the best time to graft kiwi?

 

Chris


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jafar
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June 21, 2022 - 9:59 pm

Chris, I don't know when the best time to graft is, probably not now though.

I think I made a poor decision.  I'd been lulled by months of cool, cloudy weather.  Today was hot and sunny and my male flowers have withered 🙁 , females still just opening up.

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jafar
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June 29, 2022 - 10:50 pm

Update, in spite of the poor state of my male flowers when the Ken's Red had its flowers open, many of the Ken's Red flowers still have a healthy looking green ovary left after the petals have fallen off.  I'm hopeful that I'll get some fruit to taste this fall.

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cmullin
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July 3, 2022 - 5:16 pm

My kiwi female is finally flowering. Not sure of the variety, since all the male flowers died last year in the frost. This year I hope to get enough fruit to at least identify the female.  The flowers are very yellow. Couldn't find so far any male flowers but the females may tell me if they are pollinated there were some male flowers. May do some grafting this winter if I can fine some kiwi scions. 

Raspberry's are great though!

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jafar
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July 4, 2022 - 12:41 pm

The first time my Ken's Red flowered, years ago, it made a couple fruit despite no males around.  

This year I think I mis-timed and mis-managed the borrowed male flowers, most of the flowers have fallen off, but it looks like there could be a couple of fruit again.  

I can probably harvest some Ken's Red scion for you this winter if you remind me.

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cmullin
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July 4, 2022 - 2:13 pm

Jafar, 

Do they have any of that berry flavor, or are they just red?

 

Chris

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jafar
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July 4, 2022 - 3:03 pm

I don't remember.  It's been a long time.  They do taste distinctive, different from other hardy kiwi, and in a good way.  That's what I remember.  Not what they actually taste like.

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jafar
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July 5, 2022 - 6:36 pm

There are at least 4 or 5 little fruitlets still on the vine.  I don't think they were pollenized:

 

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cmullin
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July 8, 2022 - 12:18 pm

Jafar,

Is it the size and/or the volume of fruits that tell you about pollinization?

 

Chris

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jafar
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July 9, 2022 - 9:33 pm

I'm not sure if these are self pollenized, or parthenocarpic, or what.  Or maybe they got a few grains of pollen transfered to them before the borrowed male flowers dried up.

But in any case, the other flowers shriveled up, including their stems, and fell off. 

So these little fruitlets, have made it past that initial gate.  I'm judging that they are likely viable because they are still there, looking health, with a green stem and ovary/fruit is much bigger than what they were when the petals were still present.

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