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Idyllwild
Jackson County, OR (Zone 7b/8a)
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July 6, 2020 - 8:12 pm

At some point in the last year or two tag that was identifying this seedling got knocked out or stolen by jays. I am not really sure what it is. Can anyone help me identify this tree?IMG_20200704_140745.jpgIMG_20200704_140707.jpgIMG_20200704_140528.jpgIMG_20200704_140513.jpg?

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Viron
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July 6, 2020 - 9:39 pm

My guess is a native Persimmon, if it had glossier leaves I’d have guessed Asian..

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jafar
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July 7, 2020 - 10:22 am

Yes, I'd also guess diospyros virginiana.  Leaves are duller, smaller, and don't look as tough as kaki.  I'm less familiar with diospyros lotus.

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sweepbjames
NE Portland, OR Cully Neighborhood
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July 7, 2020 - 11:18 am

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D. Lotus on the left. Asian Kaki to the right.

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Idyllwild
Jackson County, OR (Zone 7b/8a)
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July 8, 2020 - 2:03 pm

Thanks all! This really helps me solve the mystery, I am very happy about that 🙂 I may have been partially thrown off because I have other persimmon seedlings whose leaf margins are quite serrated. The seed packet was labeled "wild persimmon" and if I recall it was also labelled D. virginiana but that also might have been an assumption on my part. I am attaching a photo; is this also a D. virginiana?  IMG_20200705_160151.jpg

I did try germinating some D. lotus the last two years with no luck. I'll be looking for another seed source this fall.

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Reinettes
Lewis Co., WA
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July 8, 2020 - 4:44 pm

I'm a bit confused looking at the photos above.  The most recently posted photo looks to me like perhaps a Sweet Cherry (Prunus avium).  The original photo looks a bit like a Persimmon (Diospyros), but could potentially also be a Pawpaw (Asimina triloba).  

Idyllwild:  I've had tags stolen or destroyed or mis(re)placed by People, Jays, Chickens, Dogs, Goats, and I'm sure I'm forgetting someone.  As a back-up, I would suggest also writing the information on the pot or flat with a white or yellow grease pencil.  God knows that if anything could go wrong, something most likely will! Smile

Reinettes

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Idyllwild
Jackson County, OR (Zone 7b/8a)
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July 9, 2020 - 12:11 pm

Wow Reinettes, thank you! You helped me figure out where the label from the persimmon ended up... in the now mystery prunus (will be checking my notes to see if I can figure that one out, but yes I have sown seeds from least one kind of sweet cherry). It is silly how obvious that seems now in hindsight. I was so set on the label being what it was. But thinking back now at the last property I did have some jays that kept pulling out my wooden markers, when they weren't after my plum sprouts, and I was always scrambling to get them back in place. I obviously returned the persimmon label in the wrong pot! Funny how I wanted to believe those were persimmons even though it didn't look right. We are in a new property now and so far the squirrels and jays here aren't as interested in my nursery thank goodness, but still I love the grease pencil idea. I didn't even know such a thing existed. I will definitely be double labeling with grease pencils! Thanks again.

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John S
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July 10, 2020 - 3:35 pm

I would agree. Persimmon on first, cherry on latest.
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Jessalba
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July 11, 2020 - 5:55 am

I loved the grease pencil idea man

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John S
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July 12, 2020 - 9:23 am

For years, I've been "engraving" labels on cut up beer and pop can sections with pens that no longer have ink. The ink never wears off,because there is no ink. They have lasted for decades.

John S
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Reinettes
Lewis Co., WA
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July 12, 2020 - 4:48 pm

As a quick follow-up, let me just say the obvious:  If you then transplant out of the pot to a larger pot, or finally into the ground, don't forget to use a grease pencil to scratch out the info on the pot or sand it off with some mid-coarse sandpaper such that you are then confounded in the future when you re-use the pot.  

The voice of experience is often a sheepish, melancholy one. Wink

Reinettes.

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Idyllwild
Jackson County, OR (Zone 7b/8a)
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July 13, 2020 - 6:53 pm

Thanks John & Reinettes! I am using wooden stakes with sharpies for a few seasons until I know if seeds would germinate or not. For the trees that do germinate I up pot them and then add a metal tag. I really like the grease pencil idea as a backup to the stake or tag. I was actually wondering how to remove the grease pencil markings and now I know... thanks!

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jekahrs
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July 16, 2020 - 4:55 pm

Sure I am wrong but it kinda looks like a persimmon, or for a reach, paw paw. 

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