Was wondering how much of Botner's orchard was saved. Been trying to get a Scion of NY75413-30. Cornell no longer has it as it was a past un-patented release. The only USA grower that apparently grows it will not sell scions of it. It is listed on Botner's 2009 scion list. It is a highly desired Scab Resistant cultivar(part of Cornell's SRB breeding program).
It is also being used by "Better Fruit" for breeding in Belgium. It is a very large apple that is borderline commercial because it has to be picked and stored a while for sweetening. Which does not bother me in the least.
I sent TOC an email. I'm hopeful. I found a cryptic paper on the web where some folks were talking about finding and preserving a number of important disease resistant research varieties. A few that were released with NY75413-30 are in fact listed as scions targeted for collection back in 2011. Precisely due to being rare breeding assets.
Well they probably figured not many were looking for a Scab Resistant Cultivar that has marketing limitations commercially. To date it has been only marketed as un-patented as Royalty at Northstar Orchards. And it is the parent of a new "Better Fruits" release{was Kiziri, renamed Morgana} in the EU.
It is however a great genetic resource for apple breeding. Bringing a number of pluses on it's own. I think there are a number of old classics that would improve their lot crossing with it.
Here is a select pick Northstar does with Royalty. They pick out the very large apples. And store them a while. And they sell it as"Evil Queen":
I'm not sure about the specifics of Botner's orchard, but it sounds like you're really passionate about finding this particular apple variety. Have you considered reaching out to other growers or organizations that specialize in heritage or rare apple varieties? They might be able to help you locate scions or provide guidance on where to find them. Good luck with your search!
Best,
E. S.
Danny,
I would recommend the Idaho University 2023-24 Heritage Orchard Conference. They have links and discussion of several heritage apple hunters and growers.
. The videos are available on YouTube. They have one meeting specifically about Southern Apples (which I linked), but you may find the others useful as well. list=PL0E60BSiNJBGbuDymXRJMBIm5EcliPAyF&index=6&ab_channel=IdahoComm
Chris
That is a great video. I've decided my strategy for 2025 will be to maximize my Georgia/Southern Heritage apple. Most anyway. I realize the wonderful Joyners at Horse Creek must be getting to retiring soon. And Josh at Horne Creek says he will help establish another repository for his awesome collection. I will be looking primarily at Lower chill varieties first. I've identified 12 Limbertwigs that will do fine here. There is a list of "Everbearing" types I wish to focus on as well. Great home apples. Here is the list:
Alexander’s Ice Cream
Bart*** -2
Beckham Seedling*
Branch*LC
Brogden
Buncombe ss ripe: July/August keeps 3 months LC
Bryson’s Seedling*
Catawba*** -2
Chestnut Crab-2
Clark’s Crab-3
Clark*** -2
Coffee Seedling*** -2
Dodge Crimson*
Golden Harvest
Hollow Log
Honey Sweet{cider}
Jefferis
Jim Day*
Jim Kell Thin Skin*** -2
July Sweet
Kimrome*** -2
King David
Little Benny*
Limbertwigs :
Black
Brushy Mountain
Levering
Little
Myer’s Royal
Red Royal
Royal
Summer
Swiss
Victoria
White
++++++++++++++++++++++++++
No Bloom
Primate
Ralls Janet
Red Detroit*
Red Indian Sweet*
Reverend Morgan
San Jacinto***
Schell
Schumacher*
Shell
Starr
Striped Sweeting***-2
Sugar Apple* LC
Tucker
Vine
Washington Strawberry
Willow Twig
Winter Banana
++++++++++++++++++++
USDA:
| PI 437043 | P.14 | Malus domestica (Suckow) Borkh. |
| PI 613965 | 'Marquesa' |
| PI 437038 | Budagovsky 57-146 |
| PI 590188 | J-TE-H (15707) |
| PI 135645 | Reinette Jamin |
| PI 206029 | Keegan's Crab |
| PI 316495 | P.1 |
| PI 613802 | Rinkii | Malus prunifolia (Willd.) Borkh. |
| PI 590043 | GMAL 3158 | Malus sieversii (Ledeb.) M. Roem. var. kirghisorum (Al. Fed. & Fed.) Ponomar. |
| PI 125686 | Feys Record |
I can work on fancy Euro apples next year. And perhaps TOC will have an expanded list to sell by 2026. Also the USDA types are slanted for rootstock breeding. Plus some pick ups here and there. Found a Georgia nursery selling bare root Orange Cox for $15. And a deal for Red Devil on M27 potted for $22. Can't ignore that kind of deal....lol
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