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The Botner Orchard
Looking for NY75413-30
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Dannytoro1
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December 14, 2023 - 12:39 pm

Was wondering how much of Botner's orchard was saved. Been trying to get a Scion of NY75413-30. Cornell no longer has it as it was a past un-patented release. The only USA grower that apparently grows it will not sell scions of it. It is listed on Botner's 2009 scion list. It is a highly desired Scab Resistant cultivar(part of Cornell's SRB breeding program).

 

It is also being used by "Better Fruit" for breeding in Belgium. It is a very large apple that is borderline commercial because it has to be picked and stored a while for sweetening. Which does not bother me in the least.

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John S
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December 14, 2023 - 4:51 pm

Have you checked with the Temperate Orchard Conservancy (TOC)? Joanie Cooper decided to save many of the varieties, because when Nick was getting older and when he died, it wasn't clear if that resource would be available in the future.

John S
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Dannytoro1
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December 15, 2023 - 2:14 am

I sent TOC an email. I'm hopeful. I found a cryptic paper on the web where some folks were talking about finding and preserving a number of important disease resistant research varieties.  A few that were released with NY75413-30 are in fact listed as scions targeted for collection back in 2011. Precisely due to being rare breeding assets.

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Chris M
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December 15, 2023 - 11:42 am

It is not listed on the TOC scion for sale list. That doesn't necessary mean they don't have it. I would be curious to know what the TOC says about it.

 

Chris in Philomath

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Dannytoro1
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December 15, 2023 - 4:12 pm

Well they probably figured not many were looking for a Scab Resistant Cultivar that has marketing limitations commercially. To date it has been only marketed as un-patented as Royalty at Northstar Orchards. And it is the parent of a new "Better Fruits" release{was Kiziri, renamed Morgana} in the EU.

It is however a great genetic resource for apple breeding. Bringing a number of pluses on it's own. I think there are a number of old classics that would improve their lot crossing with it.

 

Here is a select pick Northstar does with Royalty. They pick out the very large apples. And store them a while. And they sell it as"Evil Queen":

 

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Dannytoro1
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December 16, 2023 - 6:31 pm

TOC reports the NY75413-30 in Botner's Orchard died. 

 

This seems to be a very odd tree. Prone to producing fair amounts of seedless smaller apples. May mis-shapen. Fair amounts of the as above pictured apple can be culled from the acceptable main crop.

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hersanchez
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May 1, 2024 - 5:26 pm

I'm not sure about the specifics of Botner's orchard, but it sounds like you're really passionate about finding this particular apple variety. Have you considered reaching out to other growers or organizations that specialize in heritage or rare apple varieties? They might be able to help you locate scions or provide guidance on where to find them. Good luck with your search!

Best,

E. S.

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Chris M
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May 1, 2024 - 8:53 pm

Danny,

 

I would recommend the Idaho University 2023-24 Heritage Orchard Conference. They have links and discussion of several heritage apple hunters and growers.
. The videos are available on YouTube. They have one meeting specifically about Southern Apples (which I linked), but you may  find the others useful as well. list=PL0E60BSiNJBGbuDymXRJMBIm5EcliPAyF&index=6&ab_channel=IdahoComm

 

Chris

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Dannytoro1
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May 2, 2024 - 11:15 am

That is a great video. I've decided my strategy for 2025 will be to maximize my Georgia/Southern Heritage apple. Most anyway. I realize the wonderful Joyners at Horse Creek must be getting to retiring soon. And Josh at Horne Creek says he will help establish another repository for his awesome collection. I will be looking primarily at Lower chill varieties first. I've identified 12 Limbertwigs that will do fine here. There is a list of "Everbearing" types I wish to focus on as well. Great home apples. Here is the list:

 

Alexander’s Ice Cream

 

Bart*** -2

 

Beckham Seedling*

 

Branch*LC

 

Brogden

 

Buncombe ss ripe: July/August keeps 3 months LC

 

Bryson’s Seedling*

 

Catawba*** -2

 

Chestnut Crab-2

 

Clark’s Crab-3

 

Clark*** -2

 

Coffee Seedling*** -2

 

Dodge Crimson*

 

Golden Harvest

 

Hollow Log

 

Honey Sweet{cider}

 

Jefferis

 

Jim Day*

 

Jim Kell Thin Skin*** -2

 

July Sweet

 

Kimrome*** -2

 

King David

 

Little Benny*

 

 

Limbertwigs :

 

Black

 

Brushy Mountain

 

Levering

 

Little

 

Myer’s Royal

 

Red Royal

 

Royal

 

Summer

 

Swiss

 

Victoria

White

 

++++++++++++++++++++++++++

 

No Bloom

 

Primate

 

Ralls Janet

 

Red Detroit*

 

Red Indian Sweet*

 

Reverend Morgan

 

San Jacinto***

 

Schell

 

Schumacher*

 

Shell

 

Starr

 

Striped Sweeting***-2

 

Sugar Apple* LC

 

Tucker

 

Vine

 

Washington Strawberry

 

Willow Twig

 

Winter Banana

 

++++++++++++++++++++

USDA:

 

PI 437043 P.14 Malus domestica (Suckow) Borkh.

 

PI 613965 'Marquesa'

 

PI 437038 Budagovsky 57-146

 

 

 

PI 590188 J-TE-H (15707)

 

PI 135645 Reinette Jamin

 

PI 206029 Keegan's Crab

 

PI 316495 P.1

PI 613802 Rinkii Malus prunifolia (Willd.) Borkh.

 

PI 590043 GMAL 3158 Malus sieversii (Ledeb.) M. Roem. var. kirghisorum (Al. Fed. & Fed.) Ponomar.

 

PI 125686 Feys Record

 

I can work on fancy Euro apples next year. And perhaps TOC will have an expanded list to sell by 2026. Also the USDA types are slanted for rootstock breeding. Plus some pick ups here and there. Found a Georgia nursery selling bare root Orange Cox for $15. And a deal for Red Devil on M27 potted for $22. Can't ignore that kind of deal....lol

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