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The Botner Orchard
Looking for NY75413-30
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Dannytoro1
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December 14, 2023 - 12:39 pm

Was wondering how much of Botner's orchard was saved. Been trying to get a Scion of NY75413-30. Cornell no longer has it as it was a past un-patented release. The only USA grower that apparently grows it will not sell scions of it. It is listed on Botner's 2009 scion list. It is a highly desired Scab Resistant cultivar(part of Cornell's SRB breeding program).

 

It is also being used by "Better Fruit" for breeding in Belgium. It is a very large apple that is borderline commercial because it has to be picked and stored a while for sweetening. Which does not bother me in the least.

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John S
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December 14, 2023 - 4:51 pm

Have you checked with the Temperate Orchard Conservancy (TOC)? Joanie Cooper decided to save many of the varieties, because when Nick was getting older and when he died, it wasn't clear if that resource would be available in the future.

John S
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Dannytoro1
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December 15, 2023 - 2:14 am

I sent TOC an email. I'm hopeful. I found a cryptic paper on the web where some folks were talking about finding and preserving a number of important disease resistant research varieties.  A few that were released with NY75413-30 are in fact listed as scions targeted for collection back in 2011. Precisely due to being rare breeding assets.

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Chris M
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December 15, 2023 - 11:42 am

It is not listed on the TOC scion for sale list. That doesn't necessary mean they don't have it. I would be curious to know what the TOC says about it.

 

Chris in Philomath

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Dannytoro1
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December 15, 2023 - 4:12 pm

Well they probably figured not many were looking for a Scab Resistant Cultivar that has marketing limitations commercially. To date it has been only marketed as un-patented as Royalty at Northstar Orchards. And it is the parent of a new "Better Fruits" release{was Kiziri, renamed Morgana} in the EU.

It is however a great genetic resource for apple breeding. Bringing a number of pluses on it's own. I think there are a number of old classics that would improve their lot crossing with it.

 

Here is a select pick Northstar does with Royalty. They pick out the very large apples. And store them a while. And they sell it as"Evil Queen":

 

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Dannytoro1
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December 16, 2023 - 6:31 pm

TOC reports the NY75413-30 in Botner's Orchard died. 

 

This seems to be a very odd tree. Prone to producing fair amounts of seedless smaller apples. May mis-shapen. Fair amounts of the as above pictured apple can be culled from the acceptable main crop.

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