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Source for Gloria Mundi Scion?
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CraigB
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December 12, 2021 - 10:45 am

Hi forum-folk,

A few years ago I had a Gloria Mundi apple scion grafted at the fruit propagation fair. Unfortunately the graft didn't take, and I'd still like to grow that variety. I haven't found it available commercially at Fedco or Burnt Ridge, and the HOEC and TOC don't seem to have the variety. Does anyone know of a source, or have a tree they'd be willing to take a cutting from?

By the way, I'm really pleased to find that this community has continued after the demise of the HOS. I was a relatively new HOS member at the end, but got to enjoy the events and publications for a couple of years.

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John S
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December 12, 2021 - 7:50 pm

Hello CraigB,

Welcome to the forum.  I would check with the Temperate Orchard Conservancy.  I would believe that they must have that variety.
John S
PDX OR

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Reinettes
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December 14, 2021 - 6:39 pm

Hi CraigB,

I just saw your post, so went and checked a list  of "haves" that I got from Nick Botner in 2010.  Included on the list is the apple 'Gloria Mundi'.  The Temperate Orchard Conservancy (TOC) has been gradually grafting and reproducing Nick's apple collection for a few years and may have it.  However, they undoubtedly have some grafted apple trees that are still too young and "un-established" to provide sufficient grafting material.  I'd go to their site and download their current list of apples that are available for grafting material.  If it's not on their list, you might enquire whether they have it, and, if so, when there might be scion wood available.  

I know that it can be a bit tough when you really, really want a particular variety, but just can't seem to find a source [---I'm still trying to find a scion of "Bennett's Seedling", an eastern Washington state original].  There's such a diversity of wonderful apples "out there", so when you taste a rare one that you think is absolutely outstanding you know that you have to have it!  Good luck!  I myself still crave the fresh mangoes and guavas of my childhood.

Reinettes.

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CraigB
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December 23, 2021 - 11:56 am

Thanks John and Reinettes. I did check the Temperate Orchard Society, but Gloria Mundi isn't on their current list. It's a good tip that they may have it but not at scion-cutting size yet. I'll send them an email and ask if it may be on the way.

Craig

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Reinettes
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December 23, 2021 - 2:51 pm

Good luck, Craig!  I hope that they do have it, but that it's simply a matter of the grafted tree still being too young.  It's always "the waiting" that hurts! Frown

Reinettes (Tim).

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Reinettes
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January 3, 2022 - 7:50 pm

amiart,

Nice to assist you.  You go BYE-BYE now.  BYE-BYE.

BYE.

BYE!!

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John S
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January 6, 2022 - 8:07 am

amiart was providing the scion source that was the title of this thread. Thanks amiart.

John S
PDX OR

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Reinettes
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January 10, 2022 - 10:09 pm

John,

I'd call the poster a "sheister", except for the fact that my trusty Noah Webster's Unabridged Dictionary doesn't seem to have the term under any spelling variant.  That must've been verboten somehow....  Maybe the term is Yiddish?  Whether or not I can spell the term that I think is most appropriate, I'd have to say that the original poster was a very naughty person.  Naughty.  Bad.  Boo!  ...I think that I once saw the spelling "shyster".  I'm pretty sure that the author was trying to figure out how to spell the word in the absence of any dictionary entries.

Do some losers actually have such empty lives that they go online and SPAM sites to turn sales to a particular source -- their's or someone else's?  My pity only goes so far.  On the street I might toss in a dollar, but online, ...I would have many words that are not to be found in my trusty Noah Webster's Unabridged Dictionary...... and Noah has a very broad vocabulary!  

Reinettes.Laugh

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Crankyankee
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January 10, 2022 - 10:29 pm

I seem to be missing the point of your objection, Reinettes? I hope maplevalleyorchards is legit, I ordered a bunch of apple scionwood from them yesterday - before I saw this thread actually. They were the only place that had not sold out of Knobbed Russet, and they offered 12 of 14 others that were on my list that I would otherwise have had to order from three different outlets.

BTW I am still on the lookout for Tlor Tsiran apricot if anyone happens to see it anywhere.

Don

Zone 6a in the moraines of eastern Connecticut.

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Reinettes
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January 12, 2022 - 4:57 pm

Hi Don,

Glad to see that you're still on the site.  I hope that you've been able to get some fresh seeds for wild-collected Prunus maritima  to cultivate this year.  

My complaint is with someone, anyone, who goes to a site like ours merely with the intention of steering business in the direction of a particular source in order for it to do more business.  "CraigB", whoever he or she may actually be, started off by enquiring about a source for the apple 'Gloria Mundi'.  A Google search would have provided that source from the outset.  In my big moral code tome, misdirection, prestidigitation, etc., are unappreciated when it comes to people trying to steer others to a commercial source for the profit of such source.  That is usually the normal foundation of SPAM.

I'm happy to hear that you've actually done business with the company and had satisfactory results.  That's good to hear.  A satisfied customer.  Nothing better.

If "CraigB" is a real person and was actually making every effort to find the 'Gloria Mundi' apple, and I lashed-out unnecessarily because of the SPAM that the Forum has started to get, then I will most certainly be apologetic.  My tension must be a reflection of our times, where too many people don't speak truth, or want to believe it.

Don, please... if I have wronged this individual and you know it, then please let me know. Confused

Reinettes (Tim).

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Reinettes
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January 12, 2022 - 5:16 pm

A very big P.S.:

To Don and others.... The HOS Forum is an informal group of people who are interested in growing fruiting plants.  I am just one member and in no way represent the others who voluntarily join and are interested in sharing ideas, cultural methods, etc.  For better, or for worse, my comments are mine and mine alone.  In the years that I have participated in the Forum there have been some posters who were a-holes, a few spammers,... but the VAST majority have been people who truly want to be helpful and informative to others in their efforts to successfully cultivate fruiting plants for themselves or others.  

Please don't let my sometimes cantankerous, or foolish, or attemptedly helpful, or sometimes off-topic postings reflect badly on anyone else on the Forum.  That would just be outright wrong.  Those still on the Forum genuinely want to help others in their efforts.

Tim (Reinettes).

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Crankyankee
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January 12, 2022 - 6:59 pm

>> I'm happy to hear that you've actually done business with the company and had satisfactory results. That's good to hear. A satisfied customer. Nothing better.

That's premature actually. I managed to place an order, fulfillment is still an unknown. I'll let you all know. Actually I did send a note for a correction after placing the order and have not yet gotten a reply, not a good sign.

Zone 6a in the moraines of eastern Connecticut.

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Rooney
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January 13, 2022 - 8:20 pm

Crankyankee said
BTW I am still on the lookout for Tlor Tsiran apricot if anyone happens to see it anywhere.

Don

Stories are out there of apricots having one of the lowest success rates grafting. Looking to Mr. Purvis is a good start for well preserved scions but there are reports of other graft incompatibilities with them when using themselves or other stone fruits to graft to. So since you are after hard to find or rare apricots make sure you read both of my two external links regarding this:

about the special note on PDF page 1 of 2:
  Pluots make great interstems for difficult to graft apricots

and regarding use of hybrid "k86" (krymsk-86):
  Specific posts at growing fruit .org

-Since I'm a bit off topic you can just PM me instead of here for different places concerning krymsk-86 scions.

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Reinettes
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January 19, 2022 - 5:34 pm

My Dear Forum Members,

I've been unable to get back online for the last two weeks because our phone line and internet service had been disrupted by the local flooding a couple of weeks ago.  I can FINALLY get back on line and issue my desperately needed APOLOGY!  It has burdened me for all this time while I couldn't get back on the internet.

I'M A BLITHERING IDIOT AND FOOL!  I CANNOT APOLOGIZE ENOUGH UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES!  I WANT TO APOLOGIZE SINCERELY, PROFOUNDLY, UNRESERVEDLY, HONESTLY, AND WITH GENUINE REMORSE AND HUMILITY TO 'AMIART', AND CRAIGB, AND ALL OTHER FORUM MEMBERS!  LEST I BE UNCLEAR, LET ME SAY THAT I AM HUMILIATED, HUMBLED, AND THOROUGHLY EMBITTERED BY MY OWN MISUNDERSTANDING OF THE POST!!!!  I musta been drunk or delusional.  NO EXCUSE!

Over the years, I have so thoroughly trained myself to ignore advertisements that I'm now apparently like a snake that will strike unprovoked when I see them, even though that  post that was meant to be constructive and helpful!!!  ....I thought that I had been handling all of my contemporary stresses reasonably well.  It seems clear that the "Merry-go-Round" got fast enough that I flew quite right off!  I cannot apologize profusely enough.

Again, I apologize to any and all who might've been turned off by ANY of my utterances on the HOS Forum.  Please forgive me.  I just can't understand how I've become so cynical, feisty, reactionary, and offensive that I don't even recognize myself.  To say that I'm embarrassed by my behaviour is to be incredibly understated.  I'm sorry.

Tim (Reinettes).

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Crankyankee
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January 20, 2022 - 7:56 am

Just to update my experience so far with Maple Valley Orchard, I did hear back from them on my request to correct an error I made when ordering and they were happy to do so.

Tim, you had asked about my search for Beach Plum, I am happy to report that I have indeed secured some plants and seeds. The first came from Okios, now out of business and I may possibly be their last customer before they closed up shop. I got a seeds and couple of seedlings which had languished into the summer on account of deer predation. After I erected a deer fence they were recovering. Hopefully they will survive the winter.

I also have on order a unique cultivar of Beach Plum, Prunus maritima var gravesii, from Quackingrass Nursery which happens to be fairly local to me.

https://www.quackingrassnurser...../index.htm

This is in addition to the six other plums and cherries that are on order. Now all I need to do is stretch the laws of physics enough to be able to fit them inside the fence line.

Zone 6a in the moraines of eastern Connecticut.

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John S
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January 20, 2022 - 9:55 pm

Thanks Reinettes,

I would much rather deal with a good guy who makes a mistake and admits it (you),

than someone who is not a good person and can't admit it.

We all make mistakes. Most people just aren't as willing to admit it.

JohN S
PDX OR

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amiart
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January 23, 2022 - 4:46 pm

Crankyankee said
I seem to be missing the point of your objection, Reinettes? I hope maplevalleyorchards is legit, I ordered a bunch of apple scionwood from them yesterday - before I saw this thread actually. They were the only place that had not sold out of Knobbed Russet, and they offered 12 of 14 others that were on my list that I would otherwise have had to order from three different outlets.

BTW I am still on the lookout for Tlor Tsiran apricot if anyone happens to see it anywhere.

Don

  

Maplevalley I have ordered from several times and no problems except for my climate and conditions, they send quality. nothing wrong with their end.  

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Reinettes
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January 25, 2022 - 7:08 pm

amiart,

I am prostratedly before you, and I apologize to you with the greatest humility and remorse that I am capable of.  I am so very sorry!!!  This is my first time back on the Forum since my apology was posted and, because I am my own harshest critic, I will forever feel the pain of my assumptive and prejudicial postings.  ...I can't ask for forgiveness, but believe me, I am still pained by my earlier postings in this thread.  Thank you for posting the source for the 'Gloria Mundi' apple.

Tim (Reinettes).

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Reinettes
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January 25, 2022 - 7:21 pm

Crankyankee,

I just received my "yearbook" yesterday and noticed that the same potential source was listed again.  It could take some time, but I was thinking that you could start one or more 'Marianna 2624' or comparable semi-dwarfing plum rootstocks to a certain level of graftable size, while at the same time starting diverse collections of Prunus maritima from seeds.  After the seedlings are at least 2 years old and developing a thicker "proto-trunk", each clone could be grafted onto the rootstock branches to reach maturity so that you can assess the quality of each clone.  Such an effort might make it easier to assess the beach plums for taste and quality in your limited space.  ....Just a thought.

Reinettes (Tim).

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CraigB
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March 13, 2022 - 9:54 am

Reinettes said

My complaint is with someone, anyone, who goes to a site like ours merely with the intention of steering business in the direction of a particular source in order for it to do more business.  "CraigB", whoever he or she may actually be, started off by enquiring about a source for the apple 'Gloria Mundi'.  A Google search would have provided that source from the outset. 

...

If "CraigB" is a real person and was actually making every effort to find the 'Gloria Mundi' apple, and I lashed-out unnecessarily because of the SPAM that the Forum has started to get, then I will most certainly be apologetic.  My tension must be a reflection of our times, where too many people don't speak truth, or want to believe it.

Don, please... if I have wronged this individual and you know it, then please let me know. Confused

  

Well, I'm back to check on this thread again since I still haven't found a Gloria Mundi scion and... wow. I was apparently convicted and sentenced in absentia, and then (maybe?) pardoned.

Given the later apology I'll leave this mostly alone. However, I assure you all that I am a "real person." I was a member of the dearly departed HOS, volunteered at an event or two, and took pruning classes at the arboretum at CCC. I had a Gloria Mundi scion grafted at the Propagation Fair a few years ago, it failed, and I couldn't find one with a Google search so came here to ask.

No advertising from me. I also find spam frustrating.

Craig Briscoe

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CraigB
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March 13, 2022 - 9:55 am

John S said
Thanks Reinettes,

I would much rather deal with a good guy who makes a mistake and admits it (you),

than someone who is not a good person and can't admit it.

We all make mistakes. Most people just aren't as willing to admit it.

JohN S

PDX OR

  

Well said. Fully agree.

Craig

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ML
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March 13, 2022 - 1:01 pm

Source for Gloria Mundi : After reading the posts on this thread ,I have come across two items that might interest someone. Gloria Mundi semi -dwarf trees are available at Johann's Garden & Farm in Buckley Washington at $28.50 each .Pick up is available and shipping if needed has to be arranged with them . And secondly , there are 2 year old bare root Beach plums available from LionandBear Nanofarm on ETSY . The price is $14.00 with shipping cost $11.00 .They mentioned that they would be shipped out in May . Hope this helps with someones searches .

                                            Kind regards , ML

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Reinettes
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March 15, 2022 - 7:03 pm

ML,

Thanks for your posting to CraigB.  Thank you for the contribution, and I hope that you will continue to be an active contributing member on the Forum.

As to what CraigB posted a bit earlier --  "...wow. I was apparently convicted and sentenced in absentia, and then (maybe?) pardoned....":  I am still here with face to the ground in humble, humiliated, profound apologies.  I''ll never be able to live it down, but the mental torture will remain for me.  All best wishes to you.

Reinettes. 

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