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Scion collecting question
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March 25, 2015
1:56 pm
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Joanie-L
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I have apple rootstock, and scions from the HOS event--but will have a few extra rootstocks left. Question: is it too late to collect scions from a tree that is almost blooming? The tips of the branches on the trees I'm looking at have blossoms but further down the branch the buds still look dormant. Will that work?

If that lower wood WILL work for grafting, is there anything else I need to do besides graft it? Does it need a period of storage in the refrigerator to "slow it down" or anything? (Obviously I'm an almost-beginner.)

Also THANK YOU, H.O.S. for hosting the amazing scion exchange fair. I brought home 5 custom-grafted apples and am so looking forward to seeing how they do.

Thank you!

March 25, 2015
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There is something about grafting in that condition with pushing buds. Have never tried it exactly like this or ever seen it other than this link;

"shield budding on pushing buds"

https://archive.org/stream/artofgraftingbud00balt#page/148/mode/2up

March 25, 2015
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If it has bloomed or the flower buds have swollen then the sap’s flowing…  Still tight vegetative buds closer in may work.  We’ll often get scions from the ‘day of’ the event, and will graft them to the dormant rootstock if asked…  It’s not ideal, but you’ve nothing to lose trying.  

If the scion doesn't take, you’d still have the rootstock and could allow it to sprout and send up a ‘replacement trunk’ to be grafted to next year with dormant scion wood (or budded late this summer).  There’s no need to chill the scions, the sooner the better as far as using them.  

With regard to the HOS ...those folks have not only become longtime friends but are a forever source of inspiration - it takes everyone, including you ~

March 25, 2015
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Thanks Viron and Rooney. I'm going to try it! Damn the torpedoes...

March 25, 2015
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Interesting on the Shield Budding, Rooney.  So, perfect timing is needed for a swelling scion bud.  In this case, the rootstock’s still dormant, so by the time it’s sap begins to flow, the bud will have burst.  If the sap’s already begun to flow on the ‘budding stick’ (scion) it would be seriously interrupted if cut and stored until the rootstock sap flow ‘caught up.’  Had the rootstock been planted out (growing at the same pace), there’d be a match in sap flow ‘about now,’ thus the shield graft would be a viable option.  ...some of this is just me thinking out loud… but that’s what I’m coming up with.

Sometimes (at the grafting tables) we’ll ‘pop off’ the main vegetative bud if it’s pushed too far, make the graft, and allow the adjacent or secondary buds to sprout.  'We' had someone dispute that scenario at the event Sunday, saying the sap flow interruption (due to the graft) would starve or kill the scion … but, having popped off the erupted bud, there’d be little to no loss of ‘moisture/ sap’ due to it’s continued growth or ‘pull.’  

Problem is, we get little to no feedback on these grafts, having made them at the request of our ‘client,’ and something few grafters would have done for themselvesWink

March 27, 2015
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Absolutely 100% on! The thing I have done many times is wait and May/June bud producing upright same season results as booked method above. Both will require either a green shoot with brand new buds or last year popping buds with slipping bark. Neither of which would work if the bud has to wait. So as usual you have the very best "last" comments!Smile(appreciating your experience)

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