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Pawpaws: do you thin your fruit clusters
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jafar
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November 22, 2024 - 4:49 pm

I finally got my first 9 fruit, I think Sunflower.  Friends were asking some questions which led to me reading the One Green World descriptions again.  For care they say to thin the clusters to 2 fruits so they can size up.

I had 2 decent sized fruit, 2 or 3 small and the rest tiny.  

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John S
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November 22, 2024 - 6:26 pm

I don't do that.  I rarely get too many fruit.  I hand pollinate them.  It's such a busy time of year that I'm fairly likely to not spend adequate time on them.

John S
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sweepbjames
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November 29, 2024 - 5:23 pm

I haven't thinned. Haven't felt the need. My two trees are well into mature production. I overheard a portion of a discussion regarding pawpaw thinning, back when the HOS presented the summer open house and was hosting the NAFEX annual gathering, folks in attendance included Ron Powell then president of the Ohio and North American pawpaw growers association and a grower from Pennsylvania  I met while looking at the HOS pawpaws. Anyway that part of the discussion was short, focused on a reason for fruit thinning as remedy from over burdened branches breaking. I haven't experienced that , and don't have any of the touted larger fruited varieties, so that didn't seem pertinent to me.     I would suppose that thinning fruit when they're small might increase the size of those that remain, but I think a pointless exercise, except as for above. My observation is that fruit sizes are all over the map. You will find a single fruit or double cluster or even three that are moderate in relative size, or a single that is smaller or larger. Clusters of 4, 5, or even 6 not uncommonly with similar sizing, all large or moderate, or mixed sizing within the bunch including 4 larger and a moderate or two and/or a smallish. For the most part the smallish ones are often as good tasting as the larger. Maybe not as satisfying as a whole handful but if it's ready, in hand, or introduction to a sceptic. As they say "that's some mighty good eatin'. If you're looking to market then I'd just select what you're showing.

In regards to hand pollination. After three years of very successful hand pollination, two years of abject failure prior, and 2-5 years hoping previously, including painting fish fertilizer emulsion on plant crotches neat flowers-nada....- the pollinators finally showed up. I noticed fruit in areas I was certain I had not visited with my pollen transfer efforts. I determined to see what would happen from that point on with the natural pollinators and set aside my brush. Fruit production dropped to maybe 30-40% that first year. 40-60% the next, and it's been very near that of the hand work, for the last couple of years. Although my shy one seems to fluctuate a little but seems on track with the growth and continual more blossoms resulting from the growth.  

I haven't really pruned much either, except when a limb is in my way. A catalog listing mentioned a pawpaw that took well to pruning. I don't recall what catalog or which Pawpaw. From time to time I will cut back a limb that's likely to reach out too far into the raspberries or droop to low to where it's subject to inadvertently getting fruit knocked off as I or someone else pass by. I suppose I could beneficially prune out some too closely spaced redundant lateral sticks/limbs and cut back some well placed others to encourage new growth on the interior there. 

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jafar
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November 29, 2024 - 9:34 pm

John , you replied to the spambot :).  I'll let you ban and delete.

James, thanks for your thoughtful response.  I suppose thoughts of thinning are premature if I'm not getting heavy sets.  I should probably worry about a pollinizer first.  I think Sunflower is partially self fertile, and late blooming.  There wasn't much overlap with my Mango, I think it is.  I'm not sure if either supplied pollen for the other at the right time.  With my feijoa, I'm sure I got pollen transferred. With the pawpaws, I don't recall if I saw free pollen when I tried.

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John S
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November 30, 2024 - 9:07 am

As you know, I'm not the most technologically savvy orchardist.  How was I supposed to know it was a bot?  I checked the ways others had shown me and didn't see it. I banned and deleted.  Thanks for the info.

I get way more fruit through hand pollination.  I have to get the timing right, though. I also have Sunflower, and I overlooked it. It's late, and I was late. There was very little overlap with my other variety. Exactly one fruit. Hopefully, that will remind me to be more on the ball next year.

I have some trees that are encroaching on the pawpaws space and some unwanted plants that I'm going to have to remove.  I had some limbs on the pawpaws that self-pruned.  Hopefully, it gets better when I give it more space.

John S
PDX OR

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sweepbjames
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December 3, 2024 - 3:12 pm

Jafar, if you find enough other reasons to come over to Northeast Portland when your Sunflower has some or a bunch of receptive flowers, you're welcome to drop by my place and collect pollen from my Wilson. It has a long flowering period, from well before Mango to several weeks after. I'd be thinking there would be some active pollen here, when your blossoms on the Sunflower are female and sticky. You probably would want to call a couple of days in advance to confirm that it's a likely 'get', until we know for sure. I'd further suppose the pollen should be distributed pretty rapidly once collected, within a day or two anyway. Seems the ai consensus on that is: the fresher, the better.

John, similar invitation is extended to you. I believe you are a fair bit closer to me.    Anyone else within the distance considered useful, timing etc... reach out.

  Or a stick to graft on to a seedling or whatever for a closer source a few years down the road.

James B

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John S
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December 3, 2024 - 7:56 pm

Thanks James,

That's a very nice offer.

John

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sweepbjames
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December 5, 2024 - 10:24 am

sweepbjames said
Or a stick to graft on to a seedling or whatever for a closer source a few years down the road  

But since I don't plan on any pruning or collecting, I'd need a heads up to gather up some scion early enough for it to go the distance.

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