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PACIFIC ROSE (SCIROS) SCIONWOOD ???? ANYONE ???
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amiart
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December 29, 2021 - 11:32 am

Source for Pacific Rose (Sciros) Scion ? anyone please have been looking for a very long time for this.

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John S
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January 3, 2022 - 11:09 am

Are you sure that it is no longer on patent?

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DanielW
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January 6, 2022 - 12:53 pm

Hi John, 

If I understand correctly, sciros should be long off patent.  Aren't they 20 years?

Sciros patent info.  

or even better, here.

I should add, I'm not a patent lawyer.  Read at your own risk.  I would certainly feel bad if someone here violated the patent and then New Zealand invades the United States in response.  No apple is worth that,

Trademark is another story.  As long as they maintain the trademark, no one can propagate is and call it by that name.  

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amiart
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January 23, 2022 - 4:33 pm

The patent expired many years ago,  trees are available for sale in nurseries all over New Zealand

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January 23, 2022 - 4:41 pm

DanielW said
Hi John, 

If I understand correctly, sciros should be long off patent.  Aren't they 20 years?

Sciros patent info.  

or even better, here.

I should add, I'm not a patent lawyer.  Read at your own risk.  I would certainly feel bad if someone here violated the patent and then New Zealand invades the United States in response.  No apple is worth that,

Trademark is another story.  As long as they maintain the trademark, no one can propagate is and call it by that name.  

  

I believe others could have grow it if not for the "Club variety" status of it,  they essentially lock out anyone from ever getting a tree or obtaining scionwood unless they agree to the terms and conditions of growing them,  essentially purchasing thousands of trees and agreeing to selling and shipping and pricing standards imposed by the trademark name holder.   There are apples with trademarks that are also grown non trademarked.    Crispps pink A.K.A.  Pink Lady is one example and I believe there are several others.      But yeah it should not be locked out once the patent is expired. 

Pacific rose was not really "developed" thru a breeding program or anything it was discovered as a chance seedling is what I had read somewhere , so even still I get the cost to develop varities but they have more than recooped any cost associated with the "development" of this variety and should release trees in nurseries in the U.S.   Would get more traction as a variety and much more exposure to apple consumers.

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