Menu Close
Avatar
Log In
Please consider registering
Guest
Forum Scope






Start typing a member's name above and it will auto-complete

Match



Forum Options



Min search length: 3 characters / Max search length: 84 characters
Register Lost password?
sp_TopicIcon
Mud for mason bees
Avatar
John S
PDX OR
2874 Posts
(Offline)
1
May 14, 2024 - 7:48 pm

I just remembered to check my mud spots for mason bees.  If mason bees can't find mud, they go somewhere else to lay their eggs. They need the mud to pack their eggs in.  I want them to make comfortable homes in my orchard.  Mud is the mason bee cement. It's important to have mud nearby to your mason bee stems/homes/whatever you hope to attract them to lay eggs into.   Some places were bone dry, so I watered them. I use cans of clay mud, with a hole drilled in the side about 1-1 1/2" up, so it will drain and be mud, but not dry or water.  I realized that on my first few, I never drilled a hole, so the cans were full of water. That's great if you're trying to drown mason bees, but that is definitely not my goal!  This spring has been either very wet many days in a row, or hot and dry many days in a row.  Not optimal.

JOhN S
PDX OR

Avatar
jafar
805 Posts
(Offline)
2
May 15, 2024 - 9:24 am

That reminds me I need to turn the water back on for the orchard.

Avatar
davem
367 Posts
(Offline)
3
May 15, 2024 - 10:18 am

I tried for several years to make a bucket of mud available to my mason bees and I experienced the same thing.  I finally got the holes in the right place to keep the mud moist for a long time.  But I never, ever saw a bee using it, and no mud was gone.  I am 99% sure they never used it.

I have tried to observe where they are getting mud, and it is always in some kind of hole, either made by me or by a mole, gap under a rock/root/log, etc.  I think the bees are VERY picky when it comes to harvesting mud.  e.g. they will often dig a small "cave" in the side of a larger hole - and they will ALL use this little cave, even when there is a giant hole with tons of exposed mud.

I will often drive a spade blade all the way into the ground then rock the space back and forth to make a 1" gap in the ground, which they use sometimes.  But they greatly prefer a nice big hole with lots of mud/moisture options.  I will sometimes refill these with water (at night) if we get a hot/dry spell.

Here are some videos of my bees gathering mud: https://photos.app.goo.gl/Hu5D.....byj4r8Wpy7

Avatar
Rooney
Vancouver SW Washington
805 Posts
(Offline)
4
May 15, 2024 - 12:14 pm

They sure are wonderful pollinators. There sure are many things that can be done to attract beneficial insects. I would prefer mason bee pollinators over the many queen sugar ants that have started colonies all over my yard. I have been trying to increase mason bees but then found that only sugar ants pollinate my large grapevine. The side bar on the fencing is like an ant superhighway right now. What tools do you use to make those video clips like that?

Avatar
davem
367 Posts
(Offline)
5
May 15, 2024 - 2:36 pm

Rooney said
What tools do you use to make those video clips like that?

Haha just my phone.  No editing at all.

Avatar
rabbiteye
13 Posts
(Offline)
6
May 16, 2024 - 6:55 am

Was curious about a grapevine needing pollination?  Never have heard of that.

Avatar
Rooney
Vancouver SW Washington
805 Posts
(Offline)
7
May 16, 2024 - 11:52 am

Had to go out there and verify where the correct food supply is and so you were right and I stand to be corrected about my false claim of grape pollination. No ants were found on the fruiting buds on the grape. The correct assessment as of this morning is that I have several prunus mahaleb cherry along the same fence that the grape is on. Half of my cherry trees there are aphid infested but not in flower. I never understood it to be possible that ants harvest sweet substances back to the nest, so I think that's why my initial assessment was off. 

Sounds like you know more than the little I know about grapes. Do grapes just pollinate themselves?

Attachments
Avatar
John S
PDX OR
2874 Posts
(Offline)
8
May 16, 2024 - 10:34 pm

Apparently, most grapes are self-pollinating.  I don't recall seeing pollinators active in them.

https://www.gardeningknowhow.c.....-needs.htm

John S
PDX OR

Avatar
rabbiteye
13 Posts
(Offline)
9
May 18, 2024 - 9:56 pm

I have been growing grapes for quite a few years.  Small scale, just enough for farmers market sales and for my red wine needs. I was fortunate enough to know Lon Rombough before he passed and Bill Schulz from Philomath as well.  Bill had 300+ grape varieties on his place and was nice enough to let me tour his pace in the fall and get cuttings in the late winter.  So most of my varieties came from Bill and Marion.

Avatar
Chris M
Philomath, OR
168 Posts
(Offline)
10
May 19, 2024 - 4:01 pm

Wow rabbiteye you knew Lon Rombough as well. I have his book.  Sorry I didn't know Bill, he sounds like a great guy, besides now I live in Philomath! I have to ask rabbiteye, how were you not a member of HOS before? Just curious. Also what kind of red wine do you make? I have done some wine and cider making myself, strictly for personal consumption.

Avatar
rabbiteye
13 Posts
(Offline)
11
May 20, 2024 - 8:43 am

Good question Chris!  I know Bill Schulz was a member....just one of those things I guess I never got around to with my busy life.  I have never been very computer literate.  Was a member of NAFEX and NNGA but have been inactive for many years.  Just recently I was looking something up and stumbled onto this forum and thought it looked like fun.  And by golly, it is.

I listened to Lon lecture about grapes at Oregon State while I was an Ag major there (or shortly after).  I remember he said he thought a grape grower would make a fortune growing his favorite 'Swenson Red' grape variety.  So I got cuttings from Bill Schulz some time later and planted a row of them.  For years Lon would offer to come prune my Swenson Red if he could get cuttings for his small grape nursery business.

I kept telling Lon after I had experience with 'Swenson Red' that most of the customers actually prefer seedless grapes to which his reply was that folks need to be educated that seeded grapes are worth it when the flavor is as fantastic as the Swenson red.  My answer to that was it's the customers that teach us.... not the other way around!

Avatar
rabbiteye
13 Posts
(Offline)
12
May 20, 2024 - 8:47 am

Oh, and the wine grapes I have are Marechal Foch.  A early disease free grape that does not require fungicidal sprays to produce a fine crop.   Brix up to 25% on a good year.  Cuttings and back story about the variety thanks to Bill Schulz.

Avatar
Chris M
Philomath, OR
168 Posts
(Offline)
13
May 20, 2024 - 10:07 am

rabbiteye I sent you a DM, not everybody is interested in wine.  Let me know if it doesn't come through. There have been some technical problems with DMs.

Forum Timezone: America/Los_Angeles
All RSSShow Stats
Administrators:
Idyllwild
Moderators:
jafar
Marsha H
Viron
John S
Top Posters:
Rooney: 805
DanielW: 519
PlumFun: 495
Reinettes: 428
davem: 367
Dubyadee: 241
sweepbjames: 235
gkowen: 218
Larry_G: 199
quokka: 174
Newest Members:
linaluice002
Thimande
Nupich
simplepress
tammyR
CR
samui
OscarG5
murkwell
jimmyjane
Forum Stats:
Groups: 1
Forums: 4
Topics: 2925
Posts: 16915

 

Member Stats:
Guest Posters: 0
Members: 1442
Moderators: 4
Admins: 1
Most Users Ever Online: 283
Currently Online:
Guest(s) 36
Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)