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looking for a certain apple
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erisso
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February 24, 2010 - 8:39 pm

Hi all. I fisrt sent this request to http://www.orangepippin.com
one thing brings an other i was referd to you for my request

thansk to all of you
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Hi First i love your site
but im looking for an certain apple that does not appear to be in your database

To start i was young (30-35 years ago) and located in cold Appalachian mountains weather of Quebec Canada, the apple trees on the farm were already very old

if it can help for somewhat a datation, I did find names of other varieties, we had: Wolf River and Yellow Transparants

As I recall apples were very sweet and crispy.

Very similar of the Red Delicious with it’s little litter freckles, but like the Spartan, it was whiter-than-white. The flesh had red vessels in it
Had the shape of an Adams Pearmain apple or an Tentation apple and almost the color of the Red Delicious or Arkansas apple

An other point

The tree branches them self were very fine unlike other apple trees (we were not allowed to clim in those to get the upper apples)

Any help on the variety would be appreciated

+ I know apples trees traveled a lot 100 years ago, So we do have lots of them in common,
but do you know a web site with specification on North America grown old varieties

Thanks for your time Eric Rivard

Granby Quebec Canada

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Viron
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February 25, 2010 - 9:35 pm

Eric, Viron here; I searched back five pages to find the following post regarding apples grown in Canada circa 1916. It was my response to a question, so scroll down to my ‘name.’

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1796

Grabbing my book... I’ve looked up apples recommended for Quebec in 1916, they are: Yellow Transparent; Nonpareil: Crimson Beauty: Duchess of Oldenburg; Wealthy; Alexander; McIntosh; Fameuse; Wolf River; Golden Russet – and Antonovka. Looks like your Yellow Transparent and Wolf River fit!

I’m no apple ID expert… but searching for the matching characteristics within that list may pin something down :) Let us know.

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orangepippin
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February 26, 2010 - 12:16 pm

I suggested to Eric it sounded like Fameuse ... but I was not very confident.

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erisso
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February 26, 2010 - 4:10 pm

orangepippin Thanks for the link of this site
And to Viron for the list above

As stayted it has been a long time ago since I was on the farm and at that age, I was more interested to eat the apples then analysing them. Wolfs and yellows im shore of the name one had no idea + the one I am looking for
From the above list I Google them all, "Duchess of Oldenburg" rings a bell but from my memory they were not that interesting for me as not sweet and crispy enough. But a pic found of the Fameuse really rang my bell with the contrasting red with the lighter spot http://www.applejournal.com/ch.....ameuse.jpg, but doesn’t quite fit my description one thing for shore it was very white and had red vessels in it's flesh but still looking for pict of the Fameuse center.

If I find anything new, ill post it

Eric

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Viron
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February 27, 2010 - 9:47 am

Eric, the “Fameuse” apple sounds like a good prospect, to me. From the following description it appears to have been ‘known’ for being (fairly) true to its seed. Meaning, if planted as a ‘seedling’ it would retain many of its characteristics. How, I can’t imagine, other than being self-fertile to the point it crosses with itself..?

It also sounds as if there are many variations on the original, with associated name changes. With its origin in Canada, you’re likely close! Perhaps ‘yours’ was one of those slightly different than the original, but very close seedlings described below..? Here’s what I found – also – you might search some on those various names… that’s worked before to find an ‘unknown apple.’

http://www.vintagevirginiaapples.com/apples/pictures/snowapple_fameuse1.jpg

From: http://www.vintagevirginiaapples.com/apples/fameuse.htm

"FAMEUSE is called Snow, or Snow Apple, and is also known as Snow Chimney, Chimney Apple, Red American, Royal Snow, Pomme De Neige and Chimney Point. Chimney Point is a village within the town of Addison, Vermont, built by the French, who likely planted the Fameuse there from seedlings or seed brought from Canada. The variety was noted in Canada in 1739, where it is also speculated to have originated in a seedling orchard from seeds brought from France. However, some European pomologists claim it originated in Canada. Snow is the probable the parent of the McIntosh. It is reported in Historic American Trees that during the American Revolution, a contingency of Hessian soldiers planted an orchard about three miles north of Winchester, Virginia, of Fameuse apple trees. Sixteen of the trees survived into the 20th century and were still bearing fruit in the 1930s. Snow is one of the few apple varieties that tend to reproduce its likeness from seed. The coloration can vary, but usually it is a solid-red or pale-yellow, flushed red, and the flesh is pure white, sometimes streaked red. It is tender, juicy and subacid. Where conditions are favorable, scab will develop. For maximum production, a pollinator is necessary. To increase the fruit color, leaves were often removed from around the best apples on the tree. The medium-size tree bears heavily, nearly annually, with vigorous growth, and produces short spurs. The bark is a dark-red, and the coarse, shiny leaves are waved with sharp serrations. It is a quality dessert, cooking and cider-making apple that ripens in late September."

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March 1, 2010 - 1:38 pm

Oh! The memories! When I was young, back in prehistoric times, I hitchhiked (sheesh) to Toronto with a friend. We stopped and filled a backpack with apples from a roadside farm stand somewhere not too far south of Toronto. The farmer said the variety was Wealthy. They were very pale green--almost white--with narrow, vertical crimson streaks. The flesh was snow-white, very hard and crisp, and wet. When you bit into the apple, the crimson streaks on the outside would bleed into the snow-white flesh on the inside, leaving a rosy stain. The taste was tart and sweet. I've never had a better apple in my life. I've never seen these apples again, either. The variety I've encountered here called Wealthy is a completely different apple, no resemblance. I've often wished I could grow the apples I remember, though I don't imagine they'd be suited for this very different climate, even if I could find one.

See you all on March 6.

- SA

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