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Grafting compound
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John S
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March 10, 2025 - 3:23 pm

Has anyone found a good solution to getting small quantities of grafting compound? Last I heard, to buy Doc Farwell's, you had to buy a gallon. If someone who lives in the Portland area wants to sell me a small quantity, like a pint or a quart, I would be interested in that.   Otherwise, I'll have to figure out something else.  Whip and tongue grafting season is upon us.

Thanks,

John S
PDX OR

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John S
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March 13, 2025 - 1:08 pm

I tried to buy the Swiss Gashell grafting wax as it was highly recommended by someone on another forum.  It was sold out.  Then I thought I found it and,......... I accidentally bought a different brand, which says, use doc farwell's over this for best results.

Not what I was looking for.

So now, I am entering the exciting world of making my own.   I looked up many places for DIY home made grafting seal/paste/compound/wax, etc.  I bought the cheap toilet ring wax for $1.98, and some beef fat for $5 a pound.  Now I'm waiting for my powdered pine resin to arrive and begin the experiment.  I think I might add some Elmer's glue and latex paint if I can find some lying around.  Never a dull moment in the world of home orchards. Results will arrive shortly.

John S
PDX OR

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Dannytoro1
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March 13, 2025 - 10:52 pm

I had considered the DIY grafting wax mix. Keep us updated.

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sweepbjames
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March 14, 2025 - 12:09 pm

You'll want to take into account the viscosity/degradation characteristic of your material. TOC noted OVERZEALOUSLY applied Doc F's product, designed for graft sealing etc., impeded the underlying grafting rubbers from degrading in their normal event breakdown, leading to girdling and subsequent death/loss of the effected grafts.

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John S
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March 17, 2025 - 8:53 am

Yes, I remember Shaun talking about that. I do agree it makes sense to have some restraint in that.   I usually open them some time during the growing season, after they are clearly growing.  I have noted more problems with small holes in the coverage, leading to drying up of the graft union.  Good things to be careful about when grafting in general.

John S
PDX OR

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John S
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March 18, 2025 - 8:34 pm

The powdered resin came in last night, so I did the experiment today. I started to heat up the beef fat, which was in almost all of the recipes I saw.  Then I realized that this was a bad idea. I am cooking big white globs of fat until the grease comes out of them. It's going to take a long time.  Walmart was the only store that I saw that had it. They had less than a pound of beef tallow for $14.  A local Mexican butchery/deli has 1 lb. of manteca for $4.  Sold.  Tallow or manteca is already rendered. It's so much easier to deal with.  I had an old burner, pot, and cheap double boiler set up. It's a tuna can with water and another can inside.  I put the manteca(pig lard) in the double boiler can, and heated it up.  Then I added the powdered resin when it was liquid and hot.  That seemed to help it dissolve.  I decided to use glass jars, because I wanted something with a tight lid.  I cut up the toilet ring wax and left it in the jars.  I put the grease from the cooking beef fat into the double boiler can too, so it was mostly pig lard with some beef grease.  I dropped the hot resin/fat mixture into the wax in the jars.  It didn't melt right away. I stirred it and it slowly started to melt. I continued to chop it up and stir it.  I added a bit of wood glue, as that was recommended on some of the DIY pages.  I also added a bit of clay to one of the jars to see the effect.  I got out some biochar, as some recipes recommended charcoal.  I hadn't crushed it yet, so I'm going to crush it before I add it.

As the jars cooled and neared ambient temperature, they seemed to mix better and solidify a bit. I had to add a lot more wax as the process went on.  I just checked it about an hour ago and the texture was pretty good: halfway between a soft solid and liquid.  Today was only step one: to see if I could make something close to Doc Farwell's. It's pretty close in color and texture, but not nearly as uniform. I will say that I don't have to buy a whole gallon of DIY for $75 and 30 buck for shipping so that's a good start. 

I am going to go to step 2 soon: Seeing if it will actually work when I graft something.  That might happen tomorrow.  I'll keep you posted.

JohN S
PDX OR

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