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Cold down to 24F Friday night: Scion collecting time?
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John S
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December 14, 2022 - 3:26 pm

Protect your tender plants Friday night.  Also dump out any containers of water.  I've had them freeze hard and crack the plastic container.  Then you've created garbage that's unrecyclable and you have to go out and get more buckets.

I think that after Friday night, trees will be in true dormancy and it will be a good time to collect scions.  What do you think?

John S
PDX OR

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Rooney
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December 14, 2022 - 7:08 pm

I think you're right about that. 

Today upon checking my plum and cherry seeds of about 8 or more different kinds that belong to those, up to 5% are slightly exposing the guts. Thus the magical time of the year where chill hours are need to be met in these species, is in the cusp of arriving. 

I can think of another reason or two for collecting. How about flower bouquets by Christmas? 

So here's what happens when chill hours are met in woodies of all kinds including apples. This is the maximum point of hardiness, and from that point forward buds and seeds start expanding and hardiness (ie. tolerance to freezing) is gradually going to be lost. 

Since we are in a dry 4 day period, I agree even more, as the trees can scar in time and dry weather it helps the tree scar and isolate from harms way (ie. infections).

So today being Wednesday, or in two more days being Friday, what's the difference? -Two more days of chill hours accumulation for those listed as long chill hour cultivars is all, in my opinion, and based on the following read;

By agent Lynn E. Long

My Nadia plum hybrid is an early season bloomer, so as always produces a great and dense bouquet by Christmas. Another thing to try is freeze all your wood and remove after spring for summer bouquets. I did it last year until May for use in pollination experiments in Alaska very successfully!

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John S
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December 15, 2022 - 6:15 pm

Great info Rooney! I am not surprised but I am impressed.

John S
PDX OR

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jafar
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December 16, 2022 - 9:47 am

I haven't even turned the water off to remote faucets, or brought in irrigation timers yet.

Still have some Goldrush apples on the espalier.

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Rooney
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December 17, 2022 - 11:01 am

Friday night ended up mild in town. The extra protection of eves prevented my see through water column not freeze through. The stick in the middle of the 2 inch column wiggles and so the walls are barely frosted. 

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Jafar: If you have some time please update our questions over on what to do concerning plans about the site.

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Chris M
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December 17, 2022 - 2:11 pm

It was very cold in Philomath, 22 degrees this morning.

 

Chris

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December 17, 2022 - 6:37 pm

21 degrees here early Saturday AM.

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John S
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December 18, 2022 - 1:00 pm

I collected a few cherry scions before the drizzle.  I am going to start collecting pear and apple scions now.  I may wait until a slightly drier time to collect cherry and plum scions. 

JOhN S
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John S
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December 18, 2022 - 2:29 pm

Wednesday night: Low of 21!  Protect your tender plants and people.

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jafar
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December 18, 2022 - 9:24 pm

Our low was 25.

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Rooney
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December 19, 2022 - 10:10 am

John S said
I collected a few cherry scions before the drizzle.  I am going to start collecting pear and apple scions now.  I may wait until a slightly drier time to collect cherry and plum scions. 

JOhN S

PDX OR

  

I don't know why you like sour cherry better than sweet cherry because of putting up with cherry fruit fly among other reasons. Which is to say that cherry fly either have less desire for sweet cherries, or they get excessively ripe too quickly for the preferences of the fly. 

To help you change your mind is more information on sweet cherry cultivar trials [on sweet cherry] which concern bacterial gummosis problems for cases east of here;
[ Link to WSU referencing to footnotes and about cultivar specifics related to disease ]

I tried to aim the link towards case studies in the search term which is located near the footnotes. I hope in the future more generations will encounter html basics and the illustration of how browsers were first invented in universities so that our State sponsors of agriculture can eventually insert name anchors in each section of the page, in particular, if they are very long like this one. 

I recommend my new Blackpearl because it's early season and mine is new which means insuring a virus-free is almost a guarantee as far as what problems the commercial industry is having now with LCD virus circulating. I scion picked mine last night with my other two recently acquired sweet cherries, one of which is a disease prone subject for me to test around with, which is Corol Champagne and is listed inside html as well. 

My sour cherry cultivar is Schattenmorelle, full of fly maggots. Further distant is Blackgold sweet cherry and a few of my planted seedlings none of which any maggots were observed. My hybrids between sweet and native bitter cherry can be as late as Schattenmorelle but they are yellow. Yellow might be the reason why no maggots either? -and a further reason why I went out to collect an observation of mine in a large fruiting yellow sweet cherry recently. About 99% sure it;s either Starksgold or a Nugent because it's never had a red blush.

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December 19, 2022 - 11:34 am

John's counter-argument, according to me: "sour cherries taste so much better than sweet cherries that even the miniscule nerve cluster passing for the brain of a fruit fly can recognize they are superior".

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Rooney
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December 19, 2022 - 1:49 pm

In which case John might eventually want my Schattenmorelle because it has more of what I don't like about Montmorency which John might not know what it tastes like.

For everybody else Schattenmorelle might be considered an organic way of gardening by using one of those as an individual trap tree. 

It's not conceivably possible to develop a yellow sour cherry to prove out the formerly mentioned hypothesis of fruit coloring because I read an article on Good Fruit that yellow is a recessive sweet cherry trait. Sour cherry is tetraploidy, sweet cherry half that is diploidy, and recessive traits in the latter diploidy individuals character are simple enough to plan a breeding strategy for. 

Generally: Unless somebody has ever seen a yellow sour cherry (?) we probably have or will never know how it tastes either; but good comments.

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John S
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December 19, 2022 - 6:17 pm

Great one, Jafar!

Yes, I like strong flavored fruit. Pie cherries just have so much more flavor than sweet cherries that I just can't seem to find space for sweet cherries.  Plus, pie cherries have more vitamin A, antioxidants and fight inflammation better. They have more melatonin as well.  The birds don't attack all of them like sweet cherries, and the tree isn't 50 feet tall.  My wife is an award winning pie maker and she makes great crisp and cobbler too. A little bit of protein won't hurt you unless you're a strict vegan/vegetarian.  My trees aren't bothered much by fruit flies. I eat inappropriately large numbers of the cherries fresh and freeze the rest for the rest of the year.  I eat them to fight inflammation when I play baseball.  It's tough keeping up with these young 42 year old kids. I think I"m going to bring a tree to one of my schools, where their garden is rapidly filling up with fruit.

John S
PDX OR

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