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Blairmont Apple Project
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katmendeux
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March 24, 2024 - 9:18 am

Hi All,

DannyToro1 posted some super interesting info about his Blairmont Apple Project under the topic "Spring Grafting Show." Here's the link he posted to his blog: Blairmont Apple Project.

IMHO, well worth a look. Nicely written, too. Please keep us updated on your progress.

For now, what varieties are you looking for? I recently learned that we have had some old Southern Apples here. I'd be interested to know if and when they made the trek west. No rush, I know you're busy with grafting season, but when you get the time.

Cheers,

kat, pondering apple migrations

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Dannytoro1
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March 24, 2024 - 2:06 pm

Well there are 50 apples I have targeted for 2025. That are either Georgia Origin or where traded regularly in Georgia nurseries.  A few are Southern heritage apples I deem under-appreciated. Like Jefferis or Tucker Everbearing. Or Grindstone; a rare summer apple that keeps until December.

I also hope to get many long storing UK Apples, A few off the wall low chills. And rootable by cutting types.

When my wife opens her nursery eventually; I hope to have a great selection of apples ready. Because many of our best Southern nurseries have owners retiring now.

I have talked to many and we all want to avoid what happened to the Botner collection. Or more to the point; Kelly's Old Timey Apples going out with over 400 of Tom Brown's rare found apples. As Mr.Kelly has become disabled. And the orchard is at risk.

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Rooney
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March 24, 2024 - 11:51 pm

Dannytoro1 said
Well there are 50 apples I have targeted for 2025. That are either Georgia Origin or where traded regularly in Georgia nurseries.  A few are Southern heritage apples I deem under-appreciated. Like Jefferis or Tucker Everbearing. Or Grindstone; a rare summer apple that keeps until December.....

 

I showed up volunteering at the TOC today. It was the first visit I had to the Almity farm. Scions can still be collected if I make a second visit there myself free of charge of my own labor. Notice that the TOC website has Jefferis and Tucker Everbearing

Shaun told me we were working on grafting backups of inventory already listed just in case of sickness or death by any means such as rabbits. I'm sure that Shaun would let me be the go between for you if you provide me a list big enough worth pursuing.

@ Jafar: I have Baldwin for you from there at no cost because of our trade earlier.

All the trees are still dormant that I could see, but if more were wished please email the TOC and link to my comment so that Joanie can look at your potential order, what's already collected, vs what's not, and so on, and so she makes sure I get called. She knows me by Rupert not Rooney.

Joseph Postman was there as well (was good to see him again) but technically I can't make the reach into the red tape required when trying to get things from the gene-banks he used to work at in Corvallis OR. Pears are too advanced at this point already.

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Dannytoro1
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March 25, 2024 - 5:58 am

Rooney said

Dannytoro1 said

Well there are 50 apples I have targeted for 2025. That are either Georgia Origin or where traded regularly in Georgia nurseries.  A few are Southern heritage apples I deem under-appreciated. Like Jefferis or Tucker Everbearing. Or Grindstone; a rare summer apple that keeps until December.....

 

I showed up volunteering at the TOC today. It was the first visit I had to the Almity farm. Scions can still be collected if I make a second visit there myself free of charge of my own labor. Notice that the TOC website has Jefferis and Tucker Everbearing

Shaun told me we were working on grafting backups of inventory already listed just in case of sickness or death by any means such as rabbits. I'm sure that Shaun would let me be the go between for you if you provide me a list big enough worth pursuing.

@ Jafar: I have Baldwin for you from there at no cost because of our trade earlier.

All the trees are still dormant that I could see, but if more were wished please email the TOC and link to my comment so that Joanie can look at your potential order, what's already collected, vs what's not, and so on, and so she makes sure I get called. She knows me by Rupert not Rooney.

Joseph Postman was there as well (was good to see him again) but technically I can't make the reach into the red tape required when trying to get things from the gene-banks he used to work at in Corvallis OR. Pears are too advanced at this point already.

  

Thank you! I have a whole different list for TOC for 2025. My Georgia/Southern list is being split between Big Horse Creek/Southern Cultured/ Horne Creek apart from a few trees Mr.Brown is growing out.

If you get a chance; can you ask if  Cooper Market , Shockley-Grizzle and Shockley-Cantrell made it in the transfer to Almaty? All 3 are confirmed only in the Botner and Kelly collections. But are possibly lost yet again. Fedco thinks they might have Cooper Market; but they are un-sure. 

I am also working in constraints of working with my wife's plant passion; my disability issues and being grandparents raising 2 grand daughters. But at least the girls are highly interested in growing fruit trees and other plants.

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katmendeux
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April 1, 2024 - 8:22 am

Hi,

Finally got time to look up some of the apples you mentioned. Looks like some of your old southern apples are also our old Northwest apples. Here's what I found: Cooper Market, Jefferis, and Grindstone were all here in the 1890s, planted in the big Dominion Canada test orchard at Agassiz, BC. That orchard had upwards of 1,000 varieties. Cooper Market seems to have also been in some commercial orchards until almost 1920. Did not find "Shockley Grizzle" or a "Shockley Cantrell," but we did have a "Shockley". It's in Jesse Settlemier's catalog. He had a HUGE nursery in the Willlamette Valley in the 1890s. Also did not find Tucker Everbearing.

I've heard of everbearing apples before, but have never actually seen one. Do they really get ripe apples in June? Since they get ripe so early, do they also bloom super early? Here, the earliest apples I know get ripe in August. And they last a couple two-three weeks, and then they're done. Does Tucker really have apples all summer? Do they get ripe and just hang on for the summer? Or do they get ripe a few at a time? Seems like I ran across a mention of an everbearer somewhere that was supposed to have repeat bloom or maybe flower off and on. Cannot figure how the late blooms would get pollinated, though.

Keep us posted.

Cheers, kat, astonished at June apples

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April 1, 2024 - 5:48 pm

Everbearing just means picks across many months or weeks. Hackworth is one. Claimed as an apple with fresh apples everyday in August, Hollow log is one that bears over a long time period. Jefferis and Tucker too.

 

There are just a few apples available in May. Galacia and Vered. Arkcharm, Atalanta, Baker's Delicious and Wismer Desert{ keeps 3 months!!!} are legitimate June apples. There are another hand full of Southern Apples claimed as May/June apples.

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April 15, 2024 - 4:45 pm

Great thanks to the UGA Botanical Gardens Heritage Curator. Gareth sent me a handful of scions with 4 new to my Georgia Origin Apple collection.

Earlier I sent her some scion types missing from UGA Botanical Garden's collection. And also 4 sticks of Shockley extra....yeah!

But Mrs.Bryan, Old Fashion Limbertwig , Rabin Bald and Spice of North Georgia are now included on my G.214 rooted mother tree collection.

 

Had:

Shockley, Disharoon , Parks Pippin , Tarbutton , Terry Winter , Tanyard Seedling , Wallace Howard , Blairmont , Magnolia Gold , Yates , Hackworth , King Soloman , Red Detroit and Cranberry of Georgia.

 

Now need:

Black Limbertwig , Bart , Candy Stripe , Catawba , Clark , Coffee Seedling of Rabun County {Not Coffey Seedling/Dula Beauty} , Cooper's Market / Etowah , Forward Sour , Golden Harvest , Jim Kell / Fort's Prize , Kennedy , Kimrome , Rabun{not Rabun Bald} , San Jacinto ,  Shockley-Cantrell , Shockley-Grizzle , Striped Sweeting and Summer Row .

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April 18, 2024 - 3:25 pm

All the Georgia and Heritage apples are grafted. Now down to about 14 more grafts of USDA scions. Phew.

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Chris M
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April 18, 2024 - 5:02 pm

How late in the season can you graft down there? We in the PNW are well past the date to graft.

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April 19, 2024 - 5:23 am

Up until a month ago it has been oddly cool here. Even my Anna's and Dorsett Gold's are just now waking up. Our Ayer's Pear is still dormant. Yet today? High of 91 forecasted. Getting a lot of fast takes on grafts so far. I credit the rooting powder weak watery gravy I wipe them with. It supposedly elongates cells which stimulates wound healing faster. 

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John S
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April 20, 2024 - 7:46 pm

Chris M said, "How late in the season can you graft down there? We in the PNW are well past the date to graft."

I'm not sure I agree with this statement.   I haven't grafted any persimmons yet, for example. 

I'm pretty sure w and t grafting would still work if you still had scions that were dormant. 

Almost all of my cherries, apples, plums, and pear scions are either leafed out or dried out.

If i had room in the fridge for them, I think I could still graft them. They were in an unheated shed.

I think I'm going to check on my scions next year about March 1. Many of the scions got dried out because I could sense that the paper towel was dry as a bone.

We are all needing to adjust to the climate change.

John S
PDX OR

 
 
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Rooney
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April 20, 2024 - 11:05 pm

What you could do before grafting that persimmon is try and determine root activity, which is kind of based on soil temperature and moisture. If you determine there's too much activity down there then opt to leave the upper portion of the tree in place. You could still get away with putting the new wood at whatever height you want just as long as you know that the existing leaf surface area above ground may be an important factor in reducing the sap pressure at the graft at such a critical time that vessels are cut and torn or otherwise not healed yet. 

The removal of leaves is the physical equivalent of putting a stopper on the end of a water hose. Once a few new leaves emerge at the graft might be a good time to decapitate because the new graft is partly taking the place of the existing tree, and hopefully the newly created vessels are strong enough by that time to withstand the sudden change. The practice of removing the existing part is best done at dusk or on a wet day due to minor adjustment over the space of a day so that the existing root systems have time to turn down the taps. 

None of this is really very straight forward because so many variables exist, including another one about differing rates of sap pressure (bleeding) and depending on species types etc...

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