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shauna
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May 25, 2012 - 7:45 am

I'm new here, and new to gardening. I have a question that might sound silly to some of you but I need to know the answer. Can I take a seed say from a peach recently ate and plant it, will it grow, or do I need to buy seeds from the store?

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John S
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May 26, 2012 - 11:03 am

You can. It won't be a variety that you know. NO one sells peach seeds. People mostly buy grafted trees because it is a variety that will taste good, and they don't want to wait 9 years to find out it is no good. Trees grow slowly from seeds.
John S
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Rooney
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May 30, 2012 - 1:06 pm

Shauna, maybe John missed the point of your question so I'm going to tell it differently.

Peaches can be grown from seed if it never dried out after you ate it. It will never grow this year because there are time periods (stratification) that the seed has to go through for several months. You can try storing it in a compost pile in your yard or other places underground that can't get too dry. I have seen seeds sold on eBay like almond seeds and they germinated well for me because somebody stored them for me the right way.

John, peaches have been an improved species for a long time and will grow true from seed. Variances are very small. There are too many peach examples to cite but a typical one off the top of my head would be peach orchards that exist in California that do use peach rootstock from 'elberta' seedlings which are not clones to each other per say and which will come true to each other in health, size, and everything. Older orchards starting over again will not use 'elberta' seedlings because of problems to the peach roots over years of building up soil borne pests such as nematodes where in such cases the agricultural departments do recommend clones that are bred "resistant". These resistances are probably "new" in the sense that not every seedling will inherit that from the stand point of the breeder so the breeder may have a choice to leave it as is or work the generations down further to lock it in and then at such time distribute seeds.

A good example of an opposite to peach would be the sweet cherry which you might have difficulty germinating seeds from if you happened to be saving seed from some of the self pollinating cherries they have like 'Lapins'. The only ones that will do well for you of a batch of seed of 'Lapins' will be that borne of pollen from other sweet cherry pollinators as I've tried it and think I've heard of other try too. These obstacles simply don't exist with peach seed.

Stratification: One year a long time ago I had improved results growing peach seeds sealed in the fridge as long as myrobalan plum seed was stored side by side then they come right up in the fridge by February. Apart from each other then only the plum seeds would come up.

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John S
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May 31, 2012 - 9:15 pm

As usual, that is great information, Rooney. You are jam-packed with information, especially about stone fruit. Another reason I love this forum.
John S
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shauna
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June 7, 2012 - 7:58 am

So you are saying not to let the seed dry out, right? Is this also true for other seeds as well?

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John S
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June 7, 2012 - 9:02 pm

paw paws and citrus won't. If you think about it, in general plants that come from places that are wet during the harvest season won't put the evolutionary energy into helping the seed be able to dry out, because there is no need. Rainy summer/fall places. Dry harvest time places, like where apples are from , let them go dry and regrow.
John S
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shauna
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June 20, 2012 - 7:09 am

Thank you so much John. I really do appreciate the information. I might try a cherry seed, I eat a lot of them. Although I have no idea what a paw paw is.

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John S
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June 20, 2012 - 6:25 pm

Cherries and paw paws may be tough in San Diego. You can grow so many tropical or subtropical fruits that won't grow here. I would try one of those first.
John S
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davem
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June 22, 2012 - 12:36 am

So I have a 20' tall apple tree that I grew from seed which is super healthy and produces good tasting apples (one out of several that I grew from seed -- but only this one is healthy). The apples are like a crisp version of a golden delicious. Is there interest here in such an apple? i.e. since it is new.

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Marsha
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June 22, 2012 - 12:10 pm

The apples are like a crisp version of a golden delicious. Is there interest here in such an apple? i.e. since it is new.

Of course there is interest - at least among readers of this forum. Give the thing a name and bring some to the All About Fruit show in the fall.

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davem
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June 22, 2012 - 3:51 pm

[quote="Marsha":2u6xhhxw]

The apples are like a crisp version of a golden delicious. Is there interest here in such an apple? i.e. since it is new.

Of course there is interest - at least among readers of this forum. Give the thing a name and bring some to the All About Fruit show in the fall.[/quote:2u6xhhxw]
OK, I will! Although when it was blooming the weather wasn't to good (no pollinators) so I just have a few apples this year. But I will baby them until the show.

Are there any do's & don'ts for naming apples?

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John S
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June 26, 2012 - 1:15 pm

The only protocol I can think of is don't use a name already in use. I guess obviously don't name it "Early Sweet" if it's late and tart. Google the name with apple or apple tree to see if you get hits.
John S
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shauna
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July 2, 2012 - 6:51 am

Thank you for the information about growing from seed. I really do appreciate it. All I can do is give it a try.

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davem
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September 24, 2012 - 6:05 pm

OK so I am planning to bring a bag of these to the show. Do I need to fill out a card or something (apple name, my name, etc.)? Where exactly do I bring the apples?

I am not a HOS member so apologies if this info is published somewhere.

Dave
[quote="davem":1uq2pbt0][quote="Marsha":1uq2pbt0]

The apples are like a crisp version of a golden delicious. Is there interest here in such an apple? i.e. since it is new.

Of course there is interest - at least among readers of this forum. Give the thing a name and bring some to the All About Fruit show in the fall.[/quote:1uq2pbt0]
OK, I will! Although when it was blooming the weather wasn't to good (no pollinators) so I just have a few apples this year. But I will baby them until the show.

Are there any do's & don'ts for naming apples?[/quote:1uq2pbt0]

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John S
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September 24, 2012 - 8:41 pm

I would bring it to the experts/information table.
John S
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davem
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October 15, 2012 - 1:25 pm

Looking at photos from the past shows, each plate has a card with info something like this:

<apple name>

Use:
Flesh/flavor:
Origin:
Parentage:
Disease resistance:
Bloom period:
Growth habit:
Harvest:
Storage:

I would be happy to take a stab at each of these but I'm not sure what vocabulary & criteria to use. e.g. the tree is really healthy with no spraying so I am inclined to say "Good" for disease resistance, but I suspect that is not an appropriate answer for that field. Is there a standard/criteria for these descriptors online somewhere?

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John S
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October 15, 2012 - 5:57 pm

Usually, one would say "resistant to apple scab",
susceptible to cedar apple rust,
etc. If you don't know details, you can just say,
"seems resistant to most diseases".

Storage is if it stores for some time after picking. "til March"
John S
PDX OR

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shauna
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October 30, 2012 - 6:35 pm

John, what would suggest I start with?

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John S
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October 30, 2012 - 9:48 pm

Something that grows well in your area. Pomegranates? Jujube? Lemons?
John S
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