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Salmonberry ?
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boizeau
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January 25, 2009 - 3:53 pm

Two years ago, I found a very decent selection of Salmonberry near Port Hadlock WA on Gibbs Lake road. The plant was very large for the species with canes reaching ten feet, and the berries were abundant and well filled for even a Salmonberry. Flavor was better with more sweetness and less tannin. I grew out a few seedlings of this cross.
I'd like to know if anyone has successfully crossed the Salmonberry to a Domestic Raspberry.
Would be an awsome hybrid if it produced viable fruit.

http://www.fruit.cornell.edu/Berries/br ... elfru.html

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John S
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January 28, 2009 - 10:31 pm

I don't know a lot about hybrids, but one distinct advantage about salmonberries is that they fruit in the Spring, when almost no other fruit is fresh. I think that is the best thing about them. Well, also, the flowers are cute.
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Viron
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January 31, 2009 - 9:20 am

I’ve spent a lot of time among Salmonberries, usually hiking and hungry in either the Cascades or the Coast Range. Generally an insipid affair… some, often with a deep red ‘blush’ were half-decent. I’ve always been confused as to why they aren’t more prevalent in the Willamette Valley..? I’d considered transplanting a few until my brother, battling acres of them at the Oregon coast, talked me out of it. Seems they're extremely invasive on their native turf!

A cross would be interesting, though I know little about the procedure, either. Most tend to forget we’re still “Pioneers” here on the West Coast (like the guy on the top of the Oregon Capital!), with little over 150 years experience. Whereas the East Coast of America has selected and cultured blueberries, and their wild grapes... and the Mid-West’s selected their ‘wild persimmons’ - we’ve not done much with our Native’s – like Huckleberries, Salal or Salmon berries.

Seems one of our colleges could easily come up with a grant to fund some cross-breading, even now. A prolific crop of berries, likely susceptible to machine harvest, perhaps ‘disease free’ – I think we’ve neglected this opportunity! …Instead, Luther Burbank gets loads of ‘credit’ for having cross-bread the best of existing Asian plums..? Let’s get with it Northwesterners – there’s always a need for new foods :mrgreen:

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boizeau
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January 31, 2009 - 4:17 pm

I have heard that the berry breeder at Puyallup has toyed with Salmonberry in his breeding program, but it is a sort of wide cross, and a lot of sterility shows up in the F1 generation. Still, if you could cross a good Raspberry with a salmon berry that would be awsome. The floricanes last several seasons unlike the Raspberry, and as for poor drainage, why the Salmonberry is just happy as a............Salmon?

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Viron
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February 1, 2009 - 8:53 am

Would the viability of the berry’s seed be necessary for a commercial crop? I would assume you could/would propagate them by ‘runners or shoots.’ I wonder how viable raspberry seeds are..? If they readily reseeded that could be a problem; instead, the ones that drop appear to be sterile as nothing but ‘runners’ shoot up each spring.

…I forgot to add ‘Thimbleberries’ to my list of potential native’s… though that could take some time… breeding them with far less leaf-surface and far more fruit, if more substantial fruit.

I remember a TV program, around ten years ago, describing the “future” of plant breeding no longer having anything to do with crosses but using genetic tissue manipulation… They described “Grapes as big as golf balls!” It may have been a “NOVA” program, so I took it as fact more than hype. At the time I was still expanding my orchard so I seriously considered holding off planting several more grapes while waiting for those …Frankenstein-like genetically manipulated varieties to arrive. After running the subject by some knowledgeable HOS members, they smiled and told me they ‘wouldn’t hold their breath.’ …So I planted existing varieties … as no such grape, or anything else as far as I know has come along from that type of manipulation.

I remember when the US(DA?) shut down a number of our nations research stations and breeding programs, while Japan beefed up theirs… thus the newer apples with Japanese names. Think it’s time to ‘stimulate’ our plant research..? Open up the “Morton(?)” facility and begin working with those salmon berry crosses!

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boizeau
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February 1, 2009 - 4:22 pm

http://i464.photobucket.com/albums/rr8/boizeau/images.jpg

Two years ago, I found a very superior selection of wild salmonberry on Gibbs Lake Road in Jefferson County. The plant was much taller than the average salmonberry and the fruit a good 25% larger as well. Color was the typical 'salmon color' and the flavor was very good---- for a salmonberry. I saved seed and now have a dozen plants to put out. Need to find the worst draining spot on the property in a frost pocket, so that they will feel at home. They actually seem to prefer poor drainage.

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