I have been eating the Garretsons.  They all seem to have a black spot like this. Does anyone know why?  They don't have seeds since my Szukis male tree died a couple of years ago.  They aren't as big or as tasty as when they were seeded. That fits in with what some of the experts have said all along.   After the Szukis died, I only got a few persimmons last year.  I have many more this year, but like I said, they are smaller and less delicious.  I'll have to graft Szukis or F-100 in.  Here's the photo:

John S
PDX OR

I just tasted my first two H-118s today.  They also don't have seeds, but they are just as large and delicious as they ever were.  It makes me speculate that some varieties are subject to quality loss when unseeded, but others are not.  Garretson is definitely affected.  

My early goldens haven't ripened yet, so I will be curious to see how they are.  

I will be able to taste Yates for the first time this year. It will be interesting to see how they taste. I've never had them before, so I won't have perspective to contrast between seeded and unseeded quality.

John S
PDX OR

The H-118's are definitely later than the Garretsons.  Ironically, the Early Goldens are among the later of my persimmons to ripen. The leaves are falling off of the Garretson trees.  Yates also hasn't ripened, but there are only 3 fruit so far.

John S
PDX OR

Interesting idea, Jafar.  I just had another one yesterday.  Unpollinated H-118's are better than unpollinated Garretsons, IMHO.  I have been carefully jiggling them to see when they fall off.  As long as I do that, none are astringent.  The leaves are falling off, though, so I may need to use your technique.  

John S
PDX OR