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Mulberry scions
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jadeforrest
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January 15, 2010 - 4:32 pm

I probably wouldn't attempt this this year, but apparently mulberries and figs can be grafted together (they are closely related).

Are mulberries scions available at the scion fair?

And are they as easy to propagate as figs?

I'm not sure yet if I would like a full mulberry tree, or if I just want to graft a few branches onto my fig tree in a year or two. Ah, space...

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boizeau
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January 15, 2010 - 5:33 pm

I've never had any success rooting mulberry cuttings, and that is not for lack of trying it. Might be better to grow them from seed.

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PlumFun
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January 15, 2010 - 6:51 pm

[quote="jadeforrest":vmbpi0wj]I probably wouldn't attempt this this year, but apparently mulberries and figs can be grafted together (they are closely related).[/quote:vmbpi0wj]
Twould be interesting to see what effects on the fruit would be!

Are mulberries scions available at the scion fair?

I cannot remember seeing any. Perhaps sporadically?

And are they as easy to propagate as figs?

I once planted maybe 50 cuttings, overwintering in a balmy Southern Cal winter. Perhaps up to 10 of them made roots and grew. Still have one of them, but most anything that does well in Southern Cal, mulberry-wise, is a bust up in the NW. Somebody with youth and real estate on their side needs to grow out 100,000 seedlings and select something that WILL work well in the PNW. FWIW, that is how the Oscar mulberry got discovered by a friend of mine, Oscar Clarke [edit: he's about 91 yrs old now]. He planted about that many seeds, and started wading thru them at year two or three, looking for any that would fruit well at that dense planting. He found two decent ones, one of which some nurseries still sell. I have the only known other one in my collection. The original got bulldozed a dozen years ago to make way for university apartments. At the time that I rooted it, I thought his tree would always be there! I was wrong. But it is also a bust in the PNW. Great for southern Cal though!

I'm not sure yet if I would like a full mulberry tree, or if I just want to graft a few branches onto my fig tree in a year or two. Ah, space...

I think Lon knows where a decent mulberry is in Portland, at some Bishops residence or something. That might be worth investigating. Why not graft? That would be pretty interesting.

Hey Mr.Boizeau,

Do you have Regent grape? Any thoughts on its performance?

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Viron
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January 15, 2010 - 7:18 pm

I’ve never heard of mulberry / fig compatibility :shock: Seem like two different animals, to me. And do you mean American, or “Persian” Mulberries? I was never impressed with the insipid fruit of the American’s I’ve tasted -- but fell in love with the ‘description’ of a Persian mulberry I eventually ordered from “Oregon Exotics” Nursery (they still around?)

Long story on the Persian …but it never amounted to much, just a weak unproductive ‘bush.’ Finally had me giving credence to that “All around the mulberry bush” rhyme -- though they’d been described as eventual ‘trees.’ I replaced it around 3 years ago with a ‘Nichols Plum’ - from which I was eating fruit last Fall! …don’t waste the years I did babying something you’ll eventually yank – especially if space is limited.

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gponder
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January 16, 2010 - 8:42 am

We've had decent luck (about 40%) rooting Morus alba, var "White".. Our original tree is over 15' tall. Fruits well here in Southern OR unless we have a late frost. BTW, Oregon Exotics has been out of business for some time (about 10 yrs).

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boizeau
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January 16, 2010 - 1:28 pm

Was asked about the 'Regent' grape. No I don't have it. I do have a lot of hybrid grapes from all of my odd crosses and breeding over the years. Most of my stuff is an attempt at getting a dessert Muscat wine type.

http://i464.photobucket.com/albums/rr8/boizeau/th_SaintPepinxAldenSouth.jpg

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PlumFun
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January 16, 2010 - 6:17 pm

Mr. Boizeau,

What do you call the grape in the pic?
When does it ripen?
How high of sugars?
Disease resistance?

Thanks.

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John S
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January 16, 2010 - 6:22 pm

Morus nigra, the black mulberry, grows really well here, and it is delicious. I may need to bring some scions to the exchange in case someone wants to graft. I have tried to grow cuttings and it didn't work well.
John S
PDX OR

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PlumFun
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January 16, 2010 - 6:38 pm

[quote="Viron":bt8sbgq5]I’ve never heard of mulberry / fig compatibility :shock: Seem like two different animals, to me.[/quote:bt8sbgq5]
I have no idea if / how long they would be compatible, but they are pretty closely related as are these groups:

Moraceae -- mulberry
Ulmaceae -- elms
Urticaceae -- nettles
Cannabaceae -- hemp & hops

We need a taxonomist to help us now! Just think of all the combinations you could try if only you know this stuff!

I have heard of red-clover / sunflower grafts being successful. I'd like to know the underlying reason.

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jadeforrest
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January 17, 2010 - 7:13 am

It would be fun to make a visual representation of the genus, species, etc of the major fruit and nut trees, noting where graft comparability has been established. It might highlight some new possibilities.

I have decided to put in the Geraldi Dwarf black mulberry. At 6 feet high, it doesn't take a lot of space.

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