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Mason bee permit?
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joek
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March 17, 2009 - 11:40 pm

My wife was talking to vector control about a permit to keep chickens. The subject of bees came up, and she was told a permit is required to keep bees; any bees, including Mason bees. We live in City of Portland and Multnomah County. Has this issue ever come up before?

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tstoehr
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March 18, 2009 - 11:24 am

I've never heard of such a thing, and I've done alot of reading over the years. Books, internet sites and forums, and the like. I've never run across even the mentioning of a permit. I don't have one and I don't know of anyone who does. But... I suppose it's possible.
The thing is, Mason Bees are not defensively aggressive, and their stingers are so mild that it doesn't even hurt. So I've been told... I've never been stung, or at least I never realized I was stung.
If you harass a Mason Bee's nest, they will likely abandon it rather than defend it. They live solitary lives and don't have any "defend the collective" mentality.

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Viron
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March 18, 2009 - 4:31 pm

Growing up in Portland during the 70’s my dad started and maintained a honey bee hive in our back yard. He really enjoyed watching them, and neither my brother not I were ever stung while ‘push mowing’ around them. But we had the block's worst neighbor living next door. We’d already put up the highest fence allowable (6 feet) between him and us; and shortly after having the fence guy come back to cut it down 2 and 3 inches along its length(!) -- the same jerk eventually called ‘The City’ on us about our hive of bees.

Sure enough, we needed the signed permission of every owner bordering our lot to keep them. My Dad still misses his bees… And when that SOB died the otherwise tight-nit neighborhood nearly held a formal celebration!

I’m not surprised honey bees would still be ‘permitted.’ Sounds like a fun presentation to the Council if you were ever ‘sited.’ I’d dare them!

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Marsha
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March 18, 2009 - 9:14 pm

I'd argue that you don't "keep" mason bees - the only thing you ever really have possession of are some eggs. I've never encountered an aggressive egg.

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joek
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March 18, 2009 - 9:24 pm

The web site is mchealth.org/vector/nuisance.htm.

I think this is overeager enforcement by uninformed bureaucrats, but I don't want to get in trouble.

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Marsha
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March 18, 2009 - 10:19 pm

I would still argue (strenuously, and in court if necessary) that without a hive, you can't "keep" bees. Do mason bees even nest? I thought they only mudded up their little holes for the eggs. Do they come home somewhere at night?

mh

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rorybowman
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March 20, 2009 - 12:06 pm

That is deeply silly, as mason bees are not domestic animals. More info at

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boizeau
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March 27, 2009 - 6:07 pm

You could always just claim that the mason bees are their of their own volition and that you do not claim any ownership of them.
Sort of like a Robin landing on a tree branch. You don't need a 'robin permit', do you?

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buzzoff
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April 21, 2009 - 10:32 pm

I live in Portland, and Mason Bees are wild in my neighborhood. I don't know of anyone that "keeps" them, but they are everywhere. Good thing too. I saw no Honey Bees on my property for about 15 years....None! Wild Honey Bees have been hovering on the border of extinction for a long time now. Yet, my fruit trees always set fruit. Mason type bees have been carrying the load.

So, now I need a permit, for the Mason Bees, that nest in the odd nooks and crannies of my shingled house? Phfft.

My advice is to ignore the morons in local government and do whatever you feel like doing. Keep chickens if you want to. Everyone else does. As long as you don't keep a Rooster, and you don't develop a rat problem, it is unlikely that anyone will notice.

Regarding Mason Bees....It is unlikely that the autocrat at vector control, knew what a Mason Bee was. Just enjoying flexing a little bureaucratic muscle, most likely.

And, as for getting into trouble. Look in the mirror, and say out loud...."I'm too old to go back to prison; If I get tagged for keeping Mason Bees....I won't let them take me alive!"

That should put things in perspective.

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joek
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April 23, 2009 - 11:58 pm

Buzzoff, that is pretty much the exact approach we are taking. <img decoding=" title="Laughing" />

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