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Historic Orchard in trouble--needs help in Aztec, New Mexico
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Theres F
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March 18, 2010 - 7:35 pm

Please Help! Those who appreciate the value of historic orchards may be interested in the general management plan for Aztec Ruins National Monument, which calls for the removal of some 200 pear and apple trees. The plan is open for public comment until April 10. The trees are 50-100 years old, and are some of the few orchards remaining in a once important fruit growing region, the Animas River Valley. The park did not consider their historic and scientific significance in making its decision. I am a retired 20 year park employee, and am concerned about the planning process and decision. This is an issue that is beyond local significance--the trees are a tangible reminder of the importance of fruit growing in the country's history--any comments from the public will make a difference. The National Park Service does not have to consider comments that oppose or support the decision. Rather, comments should support the accuracy and adequacy of the process used, and offer reasonable alternatives. Comments can be short, and they are easy to make on line. I have information explaining further the issues and how people can effectively comment, and would be happy to email to anyone. Terry N

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jadeforrest
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March 18, 2010 - 8:27 pm

Terry: if you post it here you might get a better response. Please do!

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March 18, 2010 - 8:50 pm

Here is additional information. Please let me know if I can answer questions:

Aztec Ruins National Monument is accepting public comments on its General Management Plan (GMP), which will guide park actions for the next 10-15 years.

The plan calls for removing orchards and scattered fruit trees throughout the park, followed by revegetation with native species. The orchards consist of some 175-200 pear and apple trees from 50 to 100 years old, in varying degrees of health. Some trees are located west of the West Ruin, the primary ruin that visitors see, others are located near the Animas River, out of view of visitors. Historically the Animas River valley was a prolific and important fruit growing region. Most of the old orchards in the region have disappeared.

The GMP presents only two alternatives for orchard management: 1. continue existing conditions, ie. provide minimal care and some irrigation 2. remove all trees (preferred alternative). An alternative to “restore” the orchards and maintain them was dismissed from analysis.

Those interested can:

Obtain the full plan at: http://www.nps.gov/azru/parkmg.....GMP_EA.pdf

Obtain a newsletter that summarizes the alternatives, the preferred alternative, and environmental impacts at: http://www.nps.gov/azru/parkmgmt/upload ... _web-2.pdf

Submit comments until April 10 at: http://parkplanning.nps.gov/azru.

Those who comment can request to be placed on the park mailing list for future communications about the orchards.

The National Park Service is not required to consider comments that are not “substantive,” such as comments in favor or against the proposed action or alternatives. Substantive comments present reasonable alternatives for consideration, address accuracy of information, and address the adequacy of environmental analysis.

Substantive comments about this issue include the following:
--The historic and scientific values of the orchards need to be identified for an accurate impact analysis.
--A full description of all the orchards, the tree varieties, present conditions of the orchards, past and present care, and accurate costs based on work records are needed for an accurate analysis.
--The reasons to dismiss the alternative to restore and maintain the orchards from further analysis are not adequate because:
1. Scientific information specifically addressing orchard irrigation effects on ruins preservation is not evident.
2. Park mission goals and fundamental values cited in the GMP do in fact support the presence of the orchards.
3. The assertion that visitors are “distracted” by the orchards is not supported by evidence. Moreover, the presence of the orchards supports a primary interpretive theme.
4. Estimated costs for this proposed action (initially $55,000 to restore trees, thereafter $13,000 annual maintenance) and comparative costs of the preferred alternative ($20,000 to remove trees and revegetate with native species) are unrealistic and not substantiated.
5. The use of partnerships to assist in managing the orchards was not considered.
6. The assertion that the orchards represent a low priority resource for funding is not a valid reason for dismissing the action from further analysis.
7. The diversity of locations and varieties of the trees were not recognized in the application of the reasons to dismiss the alternative.

--The plan does not consider a full range of alternatives for managing the orchards. A range of reasonable alternatives must be considered, such as: varying the levels of treatment that take into account the different locations of the trees, alternate irrigation strategies if orchard water is scientifically shown to be unacceptable to ruins preservation (watering a portion of the trees, using drip irrigation, etc.), establishing partnerships to assist in their care.
--Orchards should be treated as an historic resource throughout the plan, pending a Determination of Eligibility for listing on the National Register of Historic Places.
--The impact topic of historic resources (including the orchard) should not have been eliminated from the environmental analysis because there could be an adverse effect by removing historic resources such as the orchard.
--The environmental impact analysis is inadequate. It does not rely on current and adequate scientific information; does not fully consider impacts on wildlife, threatened and endangered species, vegetation, and historic resources (orchards); inadequately assesses impacts on visitors; and incorrectly applies impact measurements.
--The decision to remove the orchards is a site-specific decision that is far too complex and requires a detailed analysis that is inappropriate in a general management plan.
--The health of the orchards should be maintained at a status quo until a full range of alternatives are considered and an adequate environmental impact analysis is prepared. Adequate watering of all trees should prevent them from undergoing stress.

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jadeforrest
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March 19, 2010 - 8:55 am

Do you know if there are any rare varieties there?

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Theres F
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March 19, 2010 - 9:04 am

It is unknown whether there are heirloom varieties, because that research has not been done. When I was there, I was working on partnering with a university to get some basic genetic research done to be able to answer this question. Apparently this work was not done. The possibility for the presence of heirloom varieties is high--there seems to be a variety of apple trees--they flower at different times, and when they bear fruit, there is a difference in the quality and appearance of fruit among trees. The apples are probably at least 100 years old. The younger pear orchard (about 55 years), which constitutes most of the orchards, are probably one variety.

This is one of the problems with the analysis. The scientific value--genetic diversity, presence of heirloom varieties, etc.--is unknown. Therefore the environmental impact analysis was not accurate given this inadequate information.

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March 31, 2010 - 9:46 pm

I am familiar with the Capitol Reef Historic orchards in central Utah maintained by the National Park Service, with the John Muir Historic Site in Martinez, California maintained by the Park Service, and with the Buckner Orchard in remote Stehekin Washington maintained by the National Park Service (I myself worked at the Buckner Homestead site at one time).

This is the first time I have heard of a historic orchard in New Mexico that could be maintained by the National park service and for that reason alone, if it is the only place in the state of such a nature, might make it worthy of consideration.

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April 3, 2010 - 3:11 pm

Thanks for the comment.

It is very unusual (aside from violating Section 106 of the National Historic Preservation Act) for a National Park Service unit to make a decision to remove a resource that is possibly eligible for the National Register of Historic Places, as are the orchards at Aztec Ruins, without first conducting a determination of eligibility and consulting with the State Historic Preservation Office.

I was told by an orchardist in New Mexico that there are some very old trees--possibly close to 400 years--planted by the Spanish missionaries at Salinas Pueblo Missions near Mountainair, NM. They are in very poor health, however, and the orchardist was working with the park to propagate the genetic material.

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April 3, 2010 - 8:03 pm

That would be lots of fun rescuing 400 year old trees from gnarly pieces of prongs! Being that old, they could be seedlings. Superior? Who knows!

Compare results of propagating root cuttings with that of the aerial portions? Would at least tell you whether or not they had been grafted.

How many of these ancient apples are there again?

I would be willing to take a crack at the really old ones. The ones in very poor health.

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April 3, 2010 - 9:15 pm

that's a teaser......mentioning 400 year old trees......were they fruit trees? I would be very much interested if there was anything like that.....anything like 400 year old fruit trees anywhere here in the New World would be a fabulous find......the oldest I know of was the Endicott(?) Pear in New England......any further detail would be of interest.

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April 3, 2010 - 9:40 pm

I irresponsibly teased folks with my comment about the 400 year old trees without checking the authenticity.
I copied the following from the website for Salinas Pueblo Missions: (http://www.nps.gov/sapu):

"Salinas Pueblo Missions is situated in the foothills of the Manzano Mountains. The word Manzano is derived from the word "manzanas" which is Spanish for apples. It is said that the small Hispanic village and the surrounding mountains take their name for the ancient orchards here. The orchards were believed to have been planted by the Franciscan priests in the early 17th century, however, the trees have been dated no earlier than the 1800s."

So my informant was probably mistaken--sorry for getting anyone excited about supposed 400 year old trees. Would love to know if they dated to early or late 1800's.

If you want to know more, you could probably contact the park directly and ask for detailed information.

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DonRicks
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April 3, 2010 - 9:55 pm

thanks....no prob.....I know that speaking for myself, on forums like this, I don't mind being corrected....especially if I can learn something...the oldest apple tree in the Portland area (and the Northwest) is the Vancouver Park apple tree planted in 1826 by the Hudson Bay company......it is kind of "broken" but still alive......it is kind of rare to find producing apple trees older than that.....pear trees can be very long lived indeed..... and apple trees live longer than stone fruits.....but too bad......a 400 year old apple tree would have gotten my attention if there was one. And even if the trees in this other part of New Mexico that you are mentioning are only 200 years old, if they were planted by Franciscan priests when New Mexico wasn't even "American"......so to speak....then that is of interest also.....it is history......the history of culture that predates our own country. thanks.

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April 4, 2010 - 10:20 am

The National Park Service does not have to consider comments that oppose or support the decision. Rather, comments should support the accuracy and adequacy of the process used, and offer reasonable alternatives.

Sounds like they have their minds made up, in any case. You and I can comment if we like how they are going about it.

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