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Exotica Rare Fruit Nursery in Vista, CA.
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ktho
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December 8, 2009 - 12:08 pm

I wanted to pass along a news story about Steven Spangler and Exotica Rare Fruit Nursery in Vista, CA. The news story is on-line at

http://www.nctimes.com/business/article ... 4aefe.html

He sounds like he has some interesting stuff in his nursery.

Best Regards,

Kathleen Blair
McMinnville

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gponder
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December 8, 2009 - 1:49 pm

Thanks for the story. I've known and have done business with Steve for many years when I lived in CA. What a shame if we lose this resource. Hopefully CRFG will try to help him out in some way.

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Viron
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December 8, 2009 - 6:18 pm

With a landscape of fruit trees and vines ... it’s difficult for me to understand why the general public doesn’t value the same… “If you have soil, you should use it” – I think most of us agree.

I’d also thought, with increasing fuel cost, fruit trees, vines and gardens would become increasingly popular. …even wondered if there wasn’t some money to be made grafting over ‘flowing’ cherries, plums or pears to productive (fruit producing) varieties… Or, hiring out my Troybilt and self to till up some yards (dodging water pipes) for gardens.

I can not think of one relative -- grandparents to aunts and uncles - who didn’t have a garden and fruit trees as I grew up. Living in one of the best growing regions on earth I’m …disappointed with the lack of gardens nowadays. Arriving at my first place, I instantly began rejuvenating its orchard, planting more trees and have had a successful summer garden every year for decades.

With several local nurseries introducing, at that time, “Exotic” fruiting plants such as figs, kiwi and persimmons, I happily planted some of each. Now, they’re my most dependable producers! …suspect I’m preaching to the choir here … but that’s another reason I’m a longtime active member of the Home Orchard Society :P

I just introduced several co-workers to Persimmons. Oregonian’s, few knew what they were. I also packed a gallon jar full of freshly dried “Maekawa” persimmons – then cutting up 9 more trays of fresh Fuyu’s to do the same. Those dried Maekawa’s were addictive! Made be wonder why anyone would ever buy ‘candy?’

We need only appreciate Asia to see where a value of fruit growing may lead, for centuries they’ve cultivated the best. A former water meter reader, I’d marvel at ‘yards’ growing the most food/fruit. I’ll never, or I’ll try never to forget the yard of some Asian immigrants – they’d terraced their small front lawn and were growing enough fresh vegetables for everyone on their block –without a single blade of grass. Others had trellised grape and kiwi vines up an over their driveway from a couple of 2 X 2 foot squares of soil - surrounded by pavement… I’ve many a time swung around our entourage while biking a neighborhood to admire ‘an orchard in the city’ surrounded by vegetables.

Steven Spangler and his mother are pioneers, their hearts are obviously in the right place… the only question being -- has our society evolved to the point of valuing their efforts...? I hope so

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John S
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December 8, 2009 - 6:53 pm

I would love to go there and see the place. It sounds so interesting. If I lived anywhere near, I'm sure I already would have bought a lot of plants from him. If I were 20 years younger, with no wife, kids, mortgage, career, etc., I'm sure I would have taken a road trip down there. Oh well. I hope someone at least buys a lot of his cooler plants and propagates them.
John S
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Marsha
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December 8, 2009 - 7:59 pm

Specifically, I'm responding to Viron's post. I know why I don't plant more - I want what I start to pretty much survive on its own. I'm not giving stuff the attention it needs. I do want to increase the fruit output of our neighborhoods, and my SE Portland neighborhood in particular, however.

I want to graft good apples to all of the ornamental crabapple trees that have been encouraged in planting strips. Homeowner buy-in would be great; guerrilla grafting sounds good as a backup option.

Does that kind of enterprise appeal to anyone else? I'm a lousy grafter and have never bud grafted, so I'm a few steps behind here.

mh

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lonrom
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December 9, 2009 - 5:29 pm

[quote="Marsha":2f652a1p]
I want to graft good apples to all of the ornamental crabapple trees that have been encouraged in planting strips. Homeowner buy-in would be great; guerrilla grafting sounds good as a backup option.

Does that kind of enterprise appeal to anyone else? I'm a lousy grafter and have never bud grafted, so I'm a few steps behind here.

mh[/quote:2f652a1p]

Guerrilla grafting could be fun, but the only way I know to do that on mature trees is to topwork them. That requires cutting the limbs off followed by grafting to the stumps. Do it without permission from the city and you might be arrested. If you aren't caught, the city would almost surely pull the "vandalized" trees and replant. If you could get permission, go for it. Lots of graft compatible ornamentals out there. Hawthorn and photinia are graft compatible with pears, for example.

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Marsha
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December 9, 2009 - 7:23 pm

I never dreamed of topworking an entire tree, just sneaking some edible fruit in. I guess it takes an otherwise bad pruning cut to make cleft grafts possible. Maybe if you saw off just one branch it would go unnoticed.

Oh, and Forestry wouldn't come after you unless someone complains loudly and insistently (my husband has tried). They're not terribly assertive to begin with, and understaffed and underfunded to boot.

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Viron
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December 9, 2009 - 9:27 pm

“Guerrilla grafting could be fun, but the only way I know to do that on mature trees is to topwork them.”

…I topwork… Actually, that’s where I suspect there might be a need or desire on the part of many residents having no idea their “ornamental” fruit trees could actually be producing fruit. You don’t necessarily have to ‘stump them,’ but you do need to allow enough sunlight in for successful growth of the grafts (scions) ...which can look very gnarly until new growth fills the voids. And no, Budding wouldn’t work; the bark’s too thick.

I remember hearing of topworking grafters making very good money in the orchards of Washington state, switching apple varieties on established trees… sounded tempting. I don’t know how ‘bad’ things would have to get in the metro areas before people were willing to have such drastic measures done to their specimen trees?

Perhaps blanket a neighborhood with flyers; candidates would be very easy to spot, with trees between the sidewalk and street. Is that considered public property..? I suspect some magnificent publicity could be had! …we’d need a PR person; a scout; grafter and ground crew. I know I’ve mentioned this before … but this organization definitely has the talent to pull something like this off.

Did some major topworking last spring for a fellow HOS member (I actually teach that portion of our annual grafting classes). After some serious chainsaw work, and armed with wonderful HOS scions of apple, pear and plum, of 66 scions I grafted 65 are ready for training… It works! …question is, is America ready for such a makeover :roll:

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Marsha
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December 9, 2009 - 10:32 pm

since it's impossible to change the subject line and have it stick.

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boizeau
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December 26, 2009 - 9:34 am

That story hits close to home. I have a similar dilemma soon to face me.
Horticulture is not a very 'portable' vocation.
I have years of toil and effort tied up into a small piece of ground here, East of Tacoma, and soon may have to scramble to save even a small % of my test hybids and unsual fruiting plants

It is no crime to be poor.............
but it is no great honor either.

Tevye

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