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concord grape vines
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mbarnett
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March 8, 2011 - 6:06 pm

we have bunch of concord grape vines that we would like to give away to anyone who would like to dig them up . i believe they are 40 or so years old, some of the trunks are 6, 8, and 10 inches in diameter, and it spans about 65 feet. we are just not that excited about the grapes and would like to replace them with some table grapes and kiwi in there space.

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Dubyadee
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March 8, 2011 - 7:47 pm

Rather than dig out the grapes have you tried to topwork them to several different table grapes? Would probably establish a nice vineyard of table grapes that way.

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mbarnett
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March 8, 2011 - 9:00 pm

interesting i was not aware i could,
i will have to look into it. do you have any suggestions on how to go about it
thanks mike

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March 9, 2011 - 8:21 am

[quote="mbarnett":9vkd3qs0]we have bunch of concord grape vines that we would like to give away to anyone who would like to dig them up . i believe they are 40 or so years old, some of the trunks are 6, 8, and 10 inches in diameter, and it spans about 65 feet. we are just not that excited about the grapes and would like to replace them with some table grapes and kiwi in there space.[/quote:9vkd3qs0]

The suggestion to top work the grape vines is a good one, there are over 40 different grapes that could work for you. Lon Rombough (I hope I spelled it right) has a good book he has written. his web site is [url:9vkd3qs0]http://www.bunchgrapes.com[/url:9vkd3qs0] Lon is also a great reference and occasionally post here on this forum.

Randy

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mbarnett
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March 9, 2011 - 6:18 pm

Randy,
thanks for the info great help.
Mike

I will still be removing some of the grapes to make room for some kiwi. if anyone is intrested

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John S
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March 9, 2011 - 6:34 pm

Hi Mike,
I will be interested in one or more of them. I live on the west side of Portland.
skyjs@yahoo.com
Thanks
John

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Viron
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March 10, 2011 - 7:36 pm

I’m glad to hear you’re going for Kiwi(!). I get far more of my kiwi’s than I do grapes, mainly because birds don’t hone in on Kiwi. I’d recommend both fuzzy and hardy kiwi’s. The hardy are great for fresh eating, at least that’s as far as mine get – and the larger fuzzies are magnificent keepers. In fact, I’m just finishing up the last dozen fuzzy kiwi I’ve had stored in the unheated basement – with another pristine box in the refrigerator. So I’ll be eating kiwi (5 or so a day) until May ...show me a grape that can do that!

As for the grapes… I love Concords and grew up with them in Portland. But out here in the hills it’s too cool for them to ripen, Niagara, either …So I'm envious of anyone who can grow and ripen them. I’d consider the Concords as a jelly and juice grape, and with ‘so many’ you could really make that venture worth your while. So I wouldn’t get rid of them all...

Keep in mind what you’ll do with (all those) table grapes, after you’ve given away and eaten all you can… They’re not near the ‘processing grape’ as is Concord. …all pending on how well you keep the birds away…

As far as grafting; keep in mind you’d only be attaching several 6 inch sticks (scions) to those 6, 8 and 10 inch diameter grape ‘trunks.’ There’s no way those shoots can provide the growth necessary to replenish the roots of a grape that age … and a large percentage of the roots would die and rot… allowing decay organisms to establish themselves and possibly migrate to other grape roots.

If you were to graft, the 6 inch ‘trunk’ (or vine) would be the best candidate; but as mentioned, it would need some massive new growth to offset the vine loss. If it ‘split’ somewhere within reach - you could graft half this year - and the other half in 2 or three years…

…or, remove them all together. If you’ve got trunks that large you likely have good soil, and grapes grow fast! Before grafting I’d simply replace them with ‘what you want,’ though be careful what you wish for :roll:

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Viron
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March 10, 2011 - 7:38 pm

“I will be interested in one or more of them.”

John, I didn’t know you owned a backhoe :mrgreen:

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mbarnett
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March 10, 2011 - 8:41 pm

Viron,
Thanks for the advice, I love kiwi too. There are some main runner vines 2 inch diameter could I graft onto those ( have someone graft them) and have a combo vine,
We just bought this property a year ago December. an estate that sat on the market for 3 years.
So the vines are in much need of pruning, the support is just a straight row of 4x4's with an old rusted and broken 3/8 cabel that held the vine at one time.
When I was younger I loved concord grapes I thought I just lost the tast but upon doing some research I found out that by not pruning the bunches get scragly and the grapes not as sweet and that is what was going on last fall, so I might not have lost my taste for the concord if that is the true variety purple blue thick skinned with seeds green flesh have to find the photos and will post them.
So yes you are on the list for at least one of the grapes. And a backhoe will fit in my back yard

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Viron
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March 10, 2011 - 9:45 pm

“There are some main runner vines 2 inch diameter could I graft onto those”

It’s best to graft anything as close to the ‘ground’ as possible… if only to keep sever dieback from losing the grafted portion. Two inches would definitely be better than 6, 8 or 10… but there again, you’d be placing them pretty far from the main trunk.

I’ve never grafted grapes, but remember viewing a very good video online describing a method. We’ve all got mixed feelings about ‘combo apple’ trees... but I’ve never known anyone to do ‘combo grapes.’ I guess you wouldn’t have much to lose by trying; if the grafts didn’t take - the vines were on their way out anyway…

Personally, I’d get rid of the ones that bug you most, replace them with kiwi (both hardy and fuzzy) …and a couple of seedless grapes… or better yet, if you’re into processed grape anything – wine grapes - they’re not only good for wine. Build a serious trellis for both the grapes and the kiwi - then learn to prune both – regularly, early and severe.

Yours sound like the classic Concords I knew so well. That’s a good point about neglect causing the thin bunches and lower sugar content… so all the more reason for pruning. Sure wish I could grow them :|

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Viron
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March 12, 2011 - 7:48 am

Mbarnett – “So yes you are on the list for at least one of the grapes. And a backhoe will fit in my back yard”

Thanks for the offer but I can’t ripen them <img decoding=" title="Crying or Very sad" /> …and I was joking with John about needing a backhoe; it’s said one grape vine can be trained to cover an entire acre – and that their roots run wherever necessary to feed the vine. In other words, with 40 year old Concords, I suspect a lot of digging!

Years ago I removed a ten year old ‘Concorde like’ grape of mine and donated it to the HOS at their Scion Exchange. It was massive – and easily the largest and longest thing there …I’m now envisioning yours – Times four. Obviously, you’d not need to get anywhere near all the roots, and severely prune the vine… but that’s still a lot of plant. But ‘this’ is the time to do it, so have fun <img decoding=" title="Wink" />

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mbarnett
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March 12, 2011 - 11:06 am

Here are the photos of the concord grapevines that I'm removing.

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Viron
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March 12, 2011 - 12:18 pm

Even with what appears to be near impenetrable thickets …you’ve got a lot of production potential there! I’d salvage at least one of those Concord ‘vines.’ It seems a real waste to remove such well established vines; and their new growth looks to be in excellent condition… They just need a sturdy trellis or structure to be trained to. There’s a lot of work, thinking and skill necessary to revive them, but it can be done.

I’d build a massive four-legged trellis or arbor straddling the length of their current bed, strong enough to support a Fuzzy kiwi (pair) as well as any of the Concord vines you’d like to save. With …say one Concord, a male and female Fuzzy kiwi and a couple of Hardy female kiwi (the fuzzy male will pollinate both hardy and fuzzy females) you could adjust your allocation of trellis space to whichever you wanted the most of. Keep in mind that Hardy kiwi will only take up about one third the space of the Fuzzys. I’d give the Concord and Fuzzy kiwi equal space. Just use heavy duty everything and plan of pruning heavy every year…

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