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Bush walnuts now growing/guerrilla gardening
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John S
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April 15, 2010 - 9:10 pm

I bought the bush walnuts from Garfield Shults in Idaho. The trees are growing and three of the walnuts have cracked the shell and showing life. I followed his instructions (see below several previous posts on this topic). The other 3-4? haven't cracked yet, so I'm waiting to see how they do. He says to wait a bit yet, but if they're already visibly growing, I say, plant them.

In other news, my guerrilla gardening of planting a regular walnut in a park worked. It has new growth and seems to be healthy. In addition, it's on a hillside, so it will probably help the hill from eroding. It's near my house so I hope in a few years I can swing by and gather walnuts.
John S
PDX OR

Trees for the NW & Garfield Shults
Garfield Shults of Homedale, ID has a bush form of English walnut that gets to be about six to eight feet tall. I have one started. The nuts are normal size and flavor. Walnuts are subject to husk fly in Oregon, but they mainly stain the nuts. Also, it would be simple to net a small tree with row fabric to prevent the flies from reaching it.
The trees come true from seed and Mr. Shults sells them for $1.25 a nut plus postage Hurry, it's nearly nut time now and he is old and may not have a lot of years left.
Mr. Garfield Shults
1526 Hill Road
Homedale, Idaho 83628

I sent a note and $10 (a check that has still not cleared, so I wondered if it was already too late) to Mr. Shults within a week of lonrom's 9/24 post. Just got my eight walnuts, and some handwritten answers to my desperately ignorant questions. Now I'm hoping some of you can help me make sense of what I'm not sure I can read.

Quoting the 3x5 card as best I can, "Walnut seed needs stratified 25 - 35 degrees 3 to 4 months (slightly moist). Plant 1 3/4" deep sand over and under. Plant when you can plant string beans. Trace mineral over seed helps sprout. Fertilize lightly after growth is good. Prune annually Sept/October or when nuts split (something incomprehensible that looks a bit like '?chuets') Keep desired size by pruning annually. Questions - phone me (I'll give any legitimate member his phone number, but only off-list. Too many mercenaries cruising this forum.) Garfield"

So what does "stratified" mean in this context? What might that indecipherable word be? How many of these should I reasonably keep to get two bushes? ('cuz I don't know if walnuts are self fertile or not, or if my neighborhood English walnuts will do the trick.)

And might anyone else want some of these if I need far fewer than what I've got?

mh

Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:47 pm

John S

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Re: Best small nut trees for the NW?
Stratified means that they have to get enough chill hours in order to germinate. This ensures that the seed will germinate after winter, not during winter. IMagine how many would die if they sprouted during a cold winter.

I would plant all of them and see how many grow. Even if they are somewhat self pollinating, they might set better with two.
John S
PDX OR

Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:36 pm

scrub

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Re: Best small nut trees for the NW?
Oh! I forgot to mention: you can eat the kernels of any of your Prunus genus trees (cherries, plums, peaches, apricots, etc). High in cyanide, so you want to use caution, but the seeds can taste very almond-y and delicious. (Or very bitter--use extra caution with these since they have more cyanide.)

If you don't like them, or find it too tedious and slow to get much useful meat from the smaller kernels like cherries, you can always crush them up with rocks or a grain grinder and let your chickens at 'em.

I wrote a lot on this subject at: http://farmerscrub.blogspot.com/2007/09 ... ealed.html

Norris

Fri Nov 06, 2009 6:33 pm

jadeforrest

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Location: SW Portland, Oregon, USA
Re: Best small nut trees for the NW?
Hi Marsha:

I got my order the same day you got yours. Here's what my note said:

Walnut seeds will need to be stratified - kept lightly moist and 25-35 degrees for 90-120 days. Check for mould work it off use less moisture for rest of stratifying period. Fish or similar organic plant food after leaves appear. A good mineral amendment will aid sprouting (hard to read, maybe bronardite) is best, trace mineral mixes okay.

Plant seeds 1 3/4 in deep some sand over and under.

I've had reports of 90% (something) germination.

Let me know what percent sprouted as early as possible. Have fun Garfield Shults

When trees reach desired height prune in September/October contain at 10, 12, 16 ft as you like.

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jadeforrest
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April 20, 2010 - 8:05 am

I have a few extra nuts if anyone wants them, by the way. I'm in SW Portland.

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Marsha
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April 20, 2010 - 7:14 pm

I just put three of mine in the ground the other day, none of them showing any signs of life. Odd and not advantageous planting method - I wanted a substantial hardware cloth cage for mine, but couldn't work it into the ground when the hole was mostly full of soil. So I emptied the hole, put the cylinder-tending-towards-cone in it, and tipped dirt, then sand, then nuts, then sand into it. Then I cut and folded over the top. No squirrels invited.

If it fails, I won't know whether I killed the things in the fridge, or more creatively later.

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Marsha
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April 23, 2010 - 8:11 pm

Planted my second hardware cloth cage full of these yesterday, and I'm not optimistic. I had 5 left from my original 8, I put 3 in, and cracked open one of the spares - no sign of rooting. I put the 4th one in and wished them all luck.

Dunno what damage I did to them in the fridge over the winter, but none of my 8 showed any sign of life. If anyone has too many seedlings competing for space, please let me know and I'll gladly remove your excess.

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John S
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April 23, 2010 - 8:43 pm

The guy's advice was not to plant them yet. " Keep in moist soil outside until May/when you plant green beans. Check for mold. " I only planted the ones that had already broken the shell early, which was about half. The other half are waiting until the appointed time. I wouldn't give up Marsha.
John S
PDX OR

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Marsha
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April 23, 2010 - 10:06 pm

It's been nice and warm and I haven't a clue when to plant green beans. If squirrels can plant walnuts successfully, and it happens all the time, then I should have at least as good a chance as they. (Better than I had with the green beans. :roll: Don't ask.) mh

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April 25, 2010 - 8:57 pm

I placed the eight nuts I received in the refrig in moist sand. Then, about a month ago I potted them up in potting soil and placed them in an above ground cold frame. As of today two of them have fully sprouted and stand about 2 or 3 inches tall. Two more are just breaking ground. I cannot tell about the remaining four. Only time will tell.

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John S
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May 19, 2010 - 7:59 pm

My first one just sprouted above ground after I planted them. I am excited. I may have enough to guerrilla garden them and plant in a park. I still have a few that I have not yet planted. I should check on them now.
John S
PDX OR

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Marsha
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May 19, 2010 - 9:26 pm

Before you start planting them where someone may take offense and kill them, let me know. Still no sign of life from mine yet, and I may be looking for replacements.

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Marsha
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July 29, 2010 - 11:21 pm

Almost three months later...

Of the six or seven I planted way back when, two have at long last sprouted. In the same hole, of course, but with so much sand in the planting mix, they were easy to separate and transplant. The anti-squirrel hardware cloth worked and they're now enclosed only in border fencing. Good luck and good health, little ones. (With my luck, the other half a dozen nuts will sprout soon, and I'll have to come up with other homes for them.)

mh

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