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Bananas and Loquats in the Northwest
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jekahrs
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January 24, 2019 - 4:30 pm

Here is an obscure topic: Bananas and loquats.

Have a loquat for my "tropical" garden. Great leaves. I know loquotes are cold tolerant but that due to inconvenient blooming time the bees are not out to set fruit. Has anyone with a loquat ever have fruit set?

Also. obviously Musa Basjoo grows great in the NW and is fun for a tropical garden. If the stalks survive I know you can get a blossom and weird inedible fruits. Know that there are other edible bananas that can tolerate our winters outside such as blue java. But can they bloom and produce fruit? Also, has anyone ever grown the pink banana, Musa Velutina?

 

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jafar
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January 25, 2019 - 9:36 am

Great topic.

I have a coworker who lives in Vancouver, WA and has a loquat tree, surely a seedling, from which he gets fruit.  I'm working on him to let me try some.  I've never had fresh loquat that I can recall.

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John S
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January 27, 2019 - 9:14 pm

I was visiting my brother in San Francisco. His neighbor had a loquat tree with ripe fruit that leaned over the sidewalk and was therefore fair game in my mind. I jumped up, grabbed it, ate it, and put the seeds in my pocket, then planted them in my raised bed in Portland.  I have the loquat tree, and it survives, but I get no fruit.  I like the fruit, but I don't consider it anything special. I am happy with it being a small ornamental. Cool leaves.

John S
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January 28, 2019 - 12:05 pm

 

jekahrs said
 I know loquotes are cold tolerant but that due to inconvenient blooming time the bees are not out to set fruit. Has anyone with a loquat ever have fruit set?

I know of an established Loquat in SE Portland setting fruit, I'm thinking- 3 out of 5 years. She's 30 feet tall. Has wonderful South and Western exposure, and reflective heat from a well used arterial hard space and traffic. Yellow, roundish fruit, yellow flesh.  

Had discussion with a third party interjecting they know of a North Portland location reliably producing yearly, I was led to understand. This one I've not confirmed but my hunch is it must be situated similarly with the South and West fairly unimpeded.

Another HOS member I spoke with recently was pretty sure his community housing village has one planted and fruiting; suggested the pomes were probably set  and visible then, about 5 or 6 weeks ago. I should go by and confirm that, nearby in my neighborhood. Planted South of a brick entry fence, or maybe closer to two story structure nearby, also to the North, (not sure on the inattentive drive by- which sheltering, reflecting surfaces are immediate). Southern exposure across a major feeder street used to be 4 lanes, now 2 with traffic calming devices. Low lying structures on the south side of the street. 

My first taste of Loquat (other than cough syrup) was in Northern California, while helping with harvesting and processing of plum Mume. Loquat fruit came ripe during my visitations. Described as 'noble sweet' by the farms founder. Fruit color of skin was orangish red; flesh the color of cantaloupe, not a light one. Shape more elongated than round, thinner at the stem end wider at the blossom. Sweet with tart notes; fine-smooth texture, refreshing. Made me want to plant one. I don't expect to get fruit because of my planting site. A friend likes tea made from the leaves. Biwa is the Japanese name.

James B

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January 28, 2019 - 1:04 pm

I was raised in the Bay Area and Loquats are ubiquitous. I remember eating them as a kid. I agree with John, nothing special but maybe an interesting flavor for a pastry.

Not much info on cold weather bananas (In particular the Velutina. aka the pink banana). Not really edible though. Too Seedy. have Musa Basjoo but kinda boring. I planted another banana that was either Blue Java or the "fake" blue java. Can always check Bananas.com but curious if Oregon people had worked with these. 

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January 29, 2019 - 7:26 pm

There was a bearing Loquat tree next door to my Aunt's house in Novato, CA.

Excepting for a few very cold days, each year in Portland, Novato's climate is quite similar to ours.

Occasionally, that Novato Loquat would set fruit.  Mostly not.

Similarly, in the semi-arctic conditions of 50 years ago, in San Francisco's Upper Noe Valley/Diamond Heights area, occasionally the wild plum trees would bear fruit.  Not very often though.

The unassuming and unnoticed little trees, would go decades without producing.  Then, when the perfect weather year deemed it possible, the trees would bear so many plums that it would break off all of the limbs.  Utterly delicious, especially the jams and jellies.

In the Novato location, my Aunt grew, in planters on her deck, the Washington Orange and the Meyer Lemon.

Never covered them.  The trees did fine, excepting that prolonged daytime temperatures of 25 degrees or so, did cause some frost damage, and subsequent die-back.

This suggests that with moderate precautions, some types of Citrus might be viable here now.  I'm pretty sure that conditions, thus far this year, would be compatible with survival and productivity.  No special protection.

Now, Citrus is no flavor competitor to the exotic apples, and other things we usually grow.  But, the harvest time is right about now, and those oranges and lemons, are surely welcome during these otherwise bleak months.  

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John S
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February 5, 2019 - 9:22 pm

I have grown bananas here before.  I like the look of they Ryuku Island one that is so popular here.  However, it takes up a lot of space and gives me no fruit. Bad combo.  Also, so many others have them. I'll look at theirs.  I looked into other bananas. It looked just barely possible, with heroic effort.  I just thought that there are so many outstanding fruit that are pretty easy, absolutely delicious and productive to grow here, and I"m not obsessed with the flavor of bananas. 

 

John S
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