June 21, 2015
Good Morning HOS Forum!
It's been a not-great year for me for peaches, with a little taste but not a lot. I was thinking about trying, once again, some varieties advertised or promoted as leaf curl (PLC) resistant. I'm surprised that I am still trying, given the number of failures I've had. I have had the following experiences -
1. Genetic dwarf peaches, in containers. Those can be moved out of the rain for fall and winter, which does prevent PLC. However, it is too much trouble for me to water in the summer.
2. Indian Blood. This one barely grew, and didn't make a peach in 5 years.
3. Oregon Curl Free. Pretty good PLC resistance, peaches pretty good, died of canker. PLC Resistance doesn't do much good if it dies of canker. I do have a 2nd leaf seedling tree from that one, in the chicken yard. We will see...
4. Charlotte. Fair PLC Resistance. Peaches are not great. No canker. This year, PLC was significant, but the tree grew out of it. However, that really set back the peaches. They were as small as a small plum, a little astringent, not sweet at all when falling off the tree.
5. Q-1-8 which since was renamed Salish Summer, I think. The best so far of the lot. At 3rd leaf, gave me a decent crop this summer. Not huge peaches, not tiny, and not nearly the problem with PLC that Charlotte had. The fruit are worth growing.
6. Mary Jane. Maybe it was mislabeled. This little tree had severe PLC for two years, and died.
What I am thinking about, now, are the following.
Nainimo Peach. Advertised, like the others, as PLC Resistant.
Kreibich Nectaine. ditto. Discovered in Western WA, so maybe they really are suited for this area? I live in Western WA. There is also Pacific Pride Nectarine, a seedling of Kreibich, also promoted as PLC resistant and 2 weeks later than Kreibich. I think the earlier one is more suitable for me.
For some reason, I've never tried Frost Peach. I don't know why. Maybe I should try that instead of one of these?
Any experiences or thoughts? I really would like some nice peaches nor nectarines, but the investment is too much, and I don't trust catalog info, which has not been reliable as far as my experiences go.
I suppose I could try copper spray, too. I haven't found that all that helpful, either, and they say spray when dormant, after leaf drop and before the rains. My experience is that rains start a month before leaf drop.
Thanks and have a great day!
March 16, 2015
I have an unnamed, Frost, Charlotte, and Indian Free.
They all get some canker. The unnamed makes the best peaches and is probably 10 years old. It hasn't been pruned well and is getting too tall. I should try to graft it to a new tree.
Frost seems healthier and more productive than the others. The peaches are worthwhile and better than grocery store, but not exceptional.
Indian Free gets the most curl and hasn't been very healthy. It set one peach this year, but it didn't ripen. This is probably the 2nd or 3rd season it could have been expected to fruit. It was a bad year for stone fruit here though.
Charlotte has made a few peaches. It seems more prone to doubles. I've only gotten a few small peaches from it that weren't memorable.
I should say that I probably need to irrigate them all better. The unnamed tree is probably getting water from our septic drain field, and is also older with more established roots.
I ordered scions for some of the others you mentioned from Burnt Ridge, but I think I grafted at a poor time. None of them took. I've yet to successfully graft peach or nectarine to anything, but I've successfully grafted a number of European plums onto peach.
June 21, 2015
I don't know how long it takes for Peach Leaf Curl to start showing up. I read that seedling peaches are usually a lot like their parent variety. The seedling from Oregon Curl Free, growing in my chicken yard, didn't have any PLC this spring, its 3rd season. Probably no peaches for another season or two, however.
Thanks for the input about your experiences. I also tried some peach grafting without success. I thought I got some buds to take but they died later.
I think what I labeled "Indian Blood" might be "Indian Free". It was supposed to have some red coloration in the fruit and be especially delicious. I noted doubles on Charlotte too, like you described.
So far, for me, the best of my trials is Salish Summer.
I wonder if Frost would be smarter to try, than Nainamo. They don't have to be big super sweet Georgia peaches, just good home grown peaches, better than grocery store.
I also tried the peach/plum hybrid, "Tri-Lite", thinking the plum genes would make it less susceptible but it also was brought down by PLC. The fruits that I did get were good, but in my hands no better than other peaches.
Seems like Kreibich has been around a little while. Some garden blogs report a little PLC but I haven't read that it has a lot. So I ordered that one for fall planting. Still want to try a peach. I would be happiest with just one peach tree, producing good peaches, but it seems we need to try multiple varieties to get one that will work. Maybe.
On growing near septic drain fields, my Yates Persimmon is a bit down-hill from my septic drain field. It grew really fast. However, the grass on the field itself is greener and taller than the rest of the yard, but that was not true where I planted the tree, so maybe it's not getting any fertilizer there.
March 16, 2015
March 25, 2015
Curl shows itself after a couple years old. Then after that it starts showing after a winter of rain exposure. The critical period of Christmas ---> somewhere in the following March. I had kept my miniature peach alive this way for about 15 years by greenhouse protection.
Reportedly, the best quality peach is 'Polly'. A past president of Seattle fruit group mentioned this to me. So if Jafar or anyone else wants to contact him for scions, I do still have my ways of other friends that know how to find him.
...maybe it was Betty PLC resistant per Raintree catalog and not Polly. As I remember he he did say per Raintree that also lists it as flavorful... end of edit.
I also learned how to graft peaches if you would like to know sometime. The last of which is a peach scion from Bob Purvis whom handles storage of scions much cooler than tradition.
March 24, 2015
April 6, 2015
I have an Avalon Pride. It gets a few curled leaves in late spring but comes out of it when it warms/dries up in summer. Not too productive though.
I also have a Frost that I rooted from cuttings. The parent was grafted onto dwarfing rootstock and died long ago. The cutting, on its own roots, bears so much the branches can't hold the crop. I've had branches breaking off under the weight. I think next spring I'll start a couple more peaches from this tree to replace a couple cherries that I'm removing.
March 16, 2015
April 6, 2015
I just took prunings from my newly bought bare root dormant Frost peach tree and stuck them in the ground. I kept them watered until they grew. I think the cuttings need to be solid wood of >1/4" diameter, not pithy twigs. I did not use any rooting hormone either.
I've had good luck rooting prunus cuttings. Mostly Portugal laurel and Otto Luyken shrubs.
June 21, 2015
WD, thanks for the info, really helpful. I would rather hear real experiences like yours, than read online catalogs that make claims that often don't pan out, and waste years of growing effort and money. I was not thinking about Frost, and now I think I will try that variety next year. I had hesitated about Frost because several articles, like this one, state that fungicide is needed for the first few years, for that variety. I've always grown organically, but this point, I am willing to try a fungicide, but don't know where to begin.
Jafar, my experience with curl is it usually builds up over a couple of years. It seems to build up in the bark.
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