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DanielW
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November 10, 2016 - 8:17 am

I know HOS has a very large scion exchange in the late winter, and have been there.  It's fantastic.

In addition to that, however, I was wondering if there is potential for any local smal scale, personal exchanges for items possibly not sufficient enough, or maybe not appropriate, for the big scion exchange. 

The reason I ask now is, I am planning to do some pruning, and wondered if I should save some in case someone would like them.  This is for unusual varieties, some of which are still small and have not been proven, but which need a bit of guiding or corrective pruning.

If interested, here are the ones I was thinking about.  In most cases, I only have a couple of prunings to offer as scion, and have not cut any of them yet.  Local only, please.

Saijo Persimmon.  Proven variety, First fruit this year, excellent seedless fruit.  No pollenizer needed.

Nikita's Gift Persimmon.  Proven variety.  First fruit this year, excellent seedless fruit.  No pollenizer needed.

Yates American Persimmon.  Not proven.  Two years old tree from Burnt Ridge, vigorous.

None of the paw paws have fruited yet, so I can't vouch for the scion except they look healthy -  NC-1, Sunflower, Rebecca's Gold.  According to some websites, both Sunflower and Rebecca's Gold are potentially self pollinating.

If there is anyone with a Coffee Cake persimmon tree, I would love to try scion for that variety.

I also have a variety of fig trees that can provide scion.  If there is interest, I can list them.

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John S
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November 22, 2016 - 7:01 pm

Here are some that I could share: McIntosh apple, Noir de Spain black mulberry, Winesap apple, Montmorency pie cherry.

John S
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DanielW
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December 1, 2016 - 6:20 pm

John, I could try the mulberry, and see if it can be grown from cuttings.  I read that some can.  I have an Illinois Everbearing mulberry, which I think is tasty and bears nicely in our climate.

 

My only proven apples so far are North Pole - which as far as I can determine is not patented, but you might have to call it something else, I can't find trademark info on it.  This is a columnar apple tree, kind of McIntosh flavor.  My original tree is 16 years old, and Liberty which is disease free and surprisingly productive on its M27 rootstock, which is too limiting.  I'm going to graft onto something better this spring.  Liberty apples are kind of fragrant to my taste, although I'm no expert.  I can give away a little from my Pristine, a disease resistant summer apple.

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December 1, 2016 - 10:59 pm

Daniel, it took me years to fine scions of Coffeecake (Nishimura Wase) persimmon.  I got mine from Jerry Shroyer.  My tree is small, and got set back, but for you...   Like you said, it may need a tiny corrective pruning and all you need is a couple of buds.  I may like some Saijo from you.  I've had a heck of a time getting it to take even though I've had success with others.  I got my scions from the HOS Arboretum.

John's mulberries are in a whole nother echelon than anything else I've had, but I think they are the only morus nigra I've eaten.  I think they are supposed to be extremely difficult to propagate by cuttings, but you could probably graft it to your Illinois Everbearing.

John, at some point I'll probably want to get some mulberry scions from you, but mine are still pretty young, I don't think I'm ready to graft them yet.  Hopefully one of them will taste nearly as good as yours.  I have Persian Black and Black Beauty for future reference.  Nothing to cut from them now.

For apples, I have a Goldrush and Rubinette that that need some scions pruned off.  Also have Bramley's Seedling, Golden Russet, Kandil Sinap, and Honeycrisp.

European plums: Jefferson and Yakima, the latter took some doing to source and the guy I got it from passed (great guy).

Asian plums: Shiro and Howard Miracle

I have some rooted Swedish Black (I believe) black currants, and some other varieties I could take cuttings from.  Black currants are the easiest thing to root that I've tried.  In fact, some prunings thrown on top of the compost pile in mid summer produced at least one rooting.

Chojuro and Hosui and Sueri Li Asian pears.

Generally, I'm not inclined to mail things out.

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DanielW
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December 2, 2016 - 8:04 am

John, how does that Winesap do for you?  I'm a big fan of historic varieties and that one rings some memory bells for me. Jafar talked me into asking for your Noir de Spain mulberry scion 🙂  If it's equal or better than Illinois Everbearing, then it's a really excellent fruit.

Jafar, I would love to try both of your European plums Jefferson and Yakima.  Currently I have a Stanley which is certainly good for some scion too, doesn't produce a lot but I am thinking it would do better with a pollenizer.  I have a NOID small green Euro plum that I've been renovating, might be the same as one Jafar posted on some time back.

For that matter, I also have lots of Methley, Shiro, and Hollywood plums.  I can't say enough good things about Hollywood plum, which is dark, rich, meaty.  They dry great too.  I grew a bunch of them from cuttings, by just sticking dormant scion into the edges of my tomato bed.  Supposedly Hollywood does not need a pollinizer.  I used one of those Hollywood starts as a rootstock for the hybrid Ember, which grew like crazy but no fruit yet.   Methley is also quite good.

Jafar, if I could also take you up on the Chojiro, I have been thinking about adding that to my multigraft tree.  Among  my Asian pears, my best bearing is Shinseiki and the largest is Mishirasu.  Mishirasu is good, not too sweet, and gigantic size pears.  I can share those if anyone wants them, and a NOID that is similar in size but maybe not identical to Shinseiki, quite productive and a good tasting Asian pear.

Like Jafar, Im not inclined to mail scion out.  We can exchange at my place in Battleground, or I can go about anywhere local as an excuse to see what your trees look like 🙂 or over coffee at Starbucks or just in a Fred Meyer parking lot 🙂

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John S
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December 6, 2016 - 6:41 pm

Winesap is one of my favorite apples.  It has great flavor and is a great keeper.  It gets some scab.  Unfortunately it is not a good pollenizer, so I have it on trees that have other varieties on them.  Should I try to gather some winesap and Noir de Spain for you? This is the time of the year, as the leaves fall off and the trees go dormant.

If you had a bit of Yates or NG I could be interested in that.  Saturday mornings or afternoons could work for me to meet halfway. I play in a year round pickup baseball league and we play most Saturdays, even this time of year. As the holidays start, I could be more flexible about meet up times.  No need for substitute teachers during the holidays.

JohnS 
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DanielW
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December 6, 2016 - 8:48 pm

John, somewhere I read that Winesap is triploid, like Jonagold, Gravenstein, and some other good ones.

Triploid Apples

I will put it onto a multigraft tree.   I would enjoy scion from that and from Noire de Spain.

You can email me when, Saturdays are fine.  Im very flexible these days.

I would be happy to share Yates and NG with you.  NG is really good.  Yates is vigorous, and Im anxious to get a taste.  Will 2017 be its year?

I'm addicted to grafting now.

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DanielW
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December 28, 2016 - 4:15 pm

Weather permitting, I will collect some scion this weekend.  I usually store them in fridge in zipper lock bag, which works so far for me.  Looks like -

For Jafar, Saijo

For John, Yates and NG.

I can add more of any of the types I described above.  Seems like a mild winter so far.

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John S
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December 28, 2016 - 7:12 pm

I have gathered black mulberry and several others, mostly apples.  I'll keep going as I can.

John S
PDX OR

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cholcombe973
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January 1, 2017 - 1:30 pm

DanielW Would you be willing to trade a saijo cutting for me also?  I'd really love to grow one out.  Also, where is everyone getting rootstock for the asian persimmons?  I've looked around online and I don't really see any places selling them.  Maybe that's why persimmons go for so much at the nurseries? 

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John S
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January 1, 2017 - 7:48 pm

The HOS usually sells persimmon rootstock at the AAFS and Scion exchange.  Persiimmons grow slowly and are considered harder to graft.  Also they are not as well known, so sometimes they have to hold onto them for a long time. These are the reasons why they are so much more expensive.

JohNS 
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cholcombe973
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January 2, 2017 - 9:49 am

That's interesting.  Well since I'm a beginning grafter ( I signed up for a grafting class in Feb ) I'll probably stick to easier trees for now.  I think I'll just purchase the saijo from one green world. 🙂

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DanielW
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January 3, 2017 - 9:03 am

Cholcombe, I was just going to post that I should be able to provide a scion from Saijo.  The tree is sparse so I don't have as much as I do Nikita's Gift.  I got both from Raintree.  From my so-far limited experience, I like Nikita's Gift better than Saijo - more vigorous tree, first year was much more productive, and more flavorful than Saijo.  Saijo has larger fruits and maybe a little sweeter.

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Rooney
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January 3, 2017 - 2:18 pm

Some rare years local apricot trees produce. For example moorpark and puget gold. Most years the unofficial name "N.W. Portland apricot" produces here. Bob Purvis has a long running track of the many ecotypes that exist. He has a name I currently don't remember but starts with an S for the NW version. I could get some from him as this is one of the trees in his east of the Cascades orchard. One more option and maybe much easier is to have pay for some from the H.O.S. via management or Tonia (bottom left in link).

When using local apricot or sweet cherry please bear in mind this week is the last chance to collect and store scionwood. Even at that it should be stored at as close to freezing as possible. Better to be below than above. With that in mind if anybody has a chance to collect or sell me some scions from HOS' NW apricot soon please post as I would be interested in this one.

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jafar
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January 3, 2017 - 11:43 pm

Rooney,  I don't think there are any apricot trees at the Arboretum, if that is what you are talking about.

I got my first handful of Apricots from my Puget Gold this summer.  It was encouraging enough to make me want to get ahold of Wenatchee Moorpark, which seems to be described as distinct from Moorpark.

Also, John, I don't think we are selling persimmon rootstocks at the exchange any more.  There may be some at the Arboretum though.  Diospyrus Virginiana.

Looks like you can get a bundle of 10 for $22 plus shipping from Lawyer's: http://www.lawyernursery.com/p.....egoryid=41

 

They start at $2.50 plus shipping from Burnt Ridge: http://www.burntridgenursery.c.....roducts/8/

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Rooney
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January 4, 2017 - 8:46 am

Jafar, apricot is at the HOS Arboretum. Two trees are located under two islands under eaves after that are dedicated to keeping the trees dry and located in the center area after you walk through the gate. One a peach, the other the apricot which at one time, prior to being regrafted, had been a Wenatchee Moorpark on Marianna 2424 roots. The newer version is the Portland apricot which has proven much more healthy than the older Wenatchee.

Some apricots are noted to be difficult for nurseries to graft and this Portland apricot is one of the hard types. I just wanted to try my chances grafting to prunus besseyi bush plum in a pot which is reported to be a plum species good grafting apricots onto.

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January 5, 2017 - 3:03 pm

Thanks Rooney,

You got me intrigued so I emailed Tonia.  Following are my question and her response (shared with her permission):

 

Jafar: Tonia, is it true that we have a healthy apricot tree at the Arboretum?  One of the forum members says we have one, called something like NW Portland, next to the Peche de Vigne

 
Tonia: "Healthy" is a questionable statement.  It is small and able to be pruned so that it stays undercover and avoids most of the curl...not all.  No fruit last year, about a dozen the year prior and half dozen in 2014.  Wasn't thrilled with the flavor, but did not notice any brown rot, so that is nice.  It is worth a shot if you have a dry/hot space to put it.
 
 
 
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DanielW
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January 5, 2017 - 5:19 pm

Ive probably tried to grow 6 apricot trees, and an Aprium.  The Aprium bore once, delicious sweet fruit, then died.  I tried a genetic dwarf apricot in a pot.  It died anyway.  All of the others died the first winter.  I dont give up easily, but but even lemons - in container and kept inside for the winter - do much better than apricots.  I love eating them, cant grow one to save my life.

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Rooney
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January 5, 2017 - 6:11 pm

Good coverage Jafar. I think I will wait and try one first before trying to graft it. This makes more sense now about why Portland apricot is an old and discontinued cultivar for both reasons; being hard to get takes on grafts, and about the lack of fruit quality. The variety is capable of standing many decades with reliable production per: local lady in her 50s.

Daniel, Of between cherries and apricots the only example I have ever heard of fruiting in a pot are my own Carmine Jewel bush cherries that are self rooted and protected. Maybe you want one? Several years ago I had a scion of that take on gisela-5 rootstock along the side of other water-sprouts. Amazing that it had produced the last 2 years. Something special about that G-5 in production because I would never get any on the self rooted baby Jewels of mine out in the open where G-5 is.

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DanielW
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January 5, 2017 - 7:06 pm

Rooney I am easily tempted when it comes to growing fruits.  And generous of you to offer. But Im working on phasing out container trees, getting too old to keep up with their care!  My Romeo cherry also died, but lots of tree cherries do well, so I think I will pass.

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January 5, 2017 - 7:14 pm

I was informed that USDA corvallis was quarantining the Pyrus collection again this year. What kinds of pears does anyone have to share?

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DanielW
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January 6, 2017 - 10:44 am

Noah, what is the reason for the quarantine?  Could that also mean that we should not trade pear scion casually?  I do not want to spread any disease.  I have Euro but unfortunately it is a 15 year old multigraft that lost all of its labels, so I can't say what is what.  That tree bears all of the pears I can eat, so I don't need any, either.  I have Asian Pears Mishirasu, Shinseiki, Hamese, Hosui, but concerned about the quarantine issue.

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cholcombe973
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January 6, 2017 - 10:48 am

DanielW would you say that nikita's gift dries down as well as saijo?  That's basically the entire reason I wanted a saijo tree.  I'm looking to make hoshigaki again :).  I made some from a tree I found while driving around california and they were really good. 

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DanielW
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January 6, 2017 - 10:56 am

Cholcombe, I have not dried any persimmons yet, so no way to know.  I imagine the sweetness would be more concentrated, but I don't know what happens to the other flavors.  Saigo might be a good bet there because it is bigger and very sweet.

 

Back on that quarantine issue, which is important -  this from Oregon Master Gardeners program -  below is quoted from that link

 

You may have seen or heard recent news stories regarding the detection of Xylella fastidiosa in a Hood River County pear orchard. In addition to that orchard, trees at the USDA National Clonal Germplasm Repository, which were the scionwood source for the Hood River County trees, tested positive for the bacterium. This is of great concern because the bacterium may cause severe disease on a broad range of tree, bush, and vine crops. The bacterium was not previously known to occur in Oregon.

The Oregon Department of Agriculture has established an emergency 180-day quarantine that restricts the movement of plants and other propagative material of pear and other potential hosts. For home gardeners, “propagative material” is usually scion wood for grafting. The quarantine applies to Benton, Hood River, Jackson, Lane, Linn, Marion, Multnomah, Washington, and Yamhill Counties. Violation of the quarantine is punishable by fines of up to $10,000. The quarantine does not apply to fruit.

ODA has prepared an information leaflet on the bacterium, including a list of the primary hosts for this disease. If you have questions about the quarantine, contact the ODA Plant Health Program – (503) 958-4620. If you plan to purchase trees or scion wood from out of state, you are encouraged to call this ODA office for guidance in identifying disease-free sources.

The quarantine applies specifically to nurseries, but you can help by:  not trading or transporting pear plants or scion wood across county lines, being on the lookout for any unusual symptoms on your pear trees, and contacting your local Extension office if you see sudden, unusual, leaf-scorch like symptoms on hardwood trees in your yard.

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cholcombe973
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January 6, 2017 - 10:59 am

I have chojuro scion(s) that I can share.  My chojuro tree was sliced in half when I had a large tree taken down.  The broken top is just sitting on the ground currently and it's frozen.  I don't know if it's worth saving for anyone.  It's been sitting for about a week.

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January 6, 2017 - 10:55 pm

Daniel, my understanding as of October is that the the repository passed their last test, and are freely shipping to everywhere except, ironically, Oregon.  Apparently Oregon requires more than one clean result separated by a proscribed period of time.

I expect pears will be shipping everywhere in 2018.

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DanielW
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February 20, 2017 - 6:33 am

John, if you plan on being at the scion exchange, I can bring the ones I saved for you.  If not, that's OK.  I plan to be at Saturday set up and at the morning session Sunday for the exchange, at the book table.

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February 22, 2017 - 5:31 pm

DanielW said
I know HOS has a very large scion exchange in the late winter, and have been there.  It's fantastic.

In addition to that, however, I was wondering if there is potential for any local smal scale, personal exchanges for items possibly not sufficient enough, or maybe not appropriate, for the big scion exchange. 

The reason I ask now is, I am planning to do some pruning, and wondered if I should save some in case someone would like them.  This is for unusual varieties, some of which are still small and have not been proven, but which need a bit of guiding or corrective pruning.

If interested, here are the ones I was thinking about.  In most cases, I only have a couple of prunings to offer as scion, and have not cut any of them yet.  Local only, please.

Saijo Persimmon.  Proven variety, First fruit this year, excellent seedless fruit.  No pollenizer needed.

Nikita's Gift Persimmon.  Proven variety.  First fruit this year, excellent seedless fruit.  No pollenizer needed.

Yates American Persimmon.  Not proven.  Two years old tree from Burnt Ridge, vigorous.

None of the paw paws have fruited yet, so I can't vouch for the scion except they look healthy -  NC-1, Sunflower, Rebecca's Gold.  According to some websites, both Sunflower and Rebecca's Gold are potentially self pollinating.

I was wondering if you may still have some of NG persimmon stick available. I tried some top working of D.Lotus last summer and think I had successful takes of Saijo, Meakawa (sp), and Russian Kaki one of each, from the arboretum. I believe a squirrel, or some such other, tried to spring board off the RK and broke it down, if lucky there may be a remaining bud. We'll see come push time. Anyway I'd like to add another stick to draw up energy into the limb stubs (looked a little skimpy) I was at the time, going to post a photo, but apparently couldn't make the file size small enough. Your descriptions of NG won me over..

I have Wilson and Mango paw paw, don't usually think about pruning them and buds are swelling now, but that would be available if you are rabidly to it now... or... in the future.

An unnamed loquat was leggy and NOW I've an idea or pruning needs. 2/3 of the tree dropped during the first ice storm this winter. Its been cool in the yard and that material would possibly work, I don't know maybe for rooting?  Funny thing, on the remaining tree there's about three of four sets of flower buds that have survived thus far, not frozen out as in the past. Younger in state than the ones that froze out. I'm  worried they will open a little more, get some torrential downpours and get smothered out. Hopeful otherwise, that the push energy of the now much  smaller tree, may have given a boost and maybe a chance for some unexpected fruit in my climes.

Belle de Boskoop, Calville Blanc d'hiver, and Esopus Spitzenburlg apples could be available as late, now-ish collection. I did more timely collect some golden winesap from a neighborhood tree a few weeks ago.

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DanielW
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February 23, 2017 - 4:27 pm

James, I could trade you Nikita's Gift for Wilson Pawpaw.  See what happens...  I will try to pm you because hos site blocks me now if I access ftom home but not at public places 🙂

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Rooney
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March 14, 2017 - 12:03 pm

I lost the emails of any HOS committee members and I also do not subscribe to facebook for my input.

Who I ran into this morning was an OSU cherry Expert on the other end of a telephone conversation. After a few minutes talking with him about scion exchanges etc is a very old and known compatibility problem about grafting upon krymsk-5 or krymsk-6 when the prune dwarf virus is present. My original intent had been to ask anyone at the OSU office if I could run out to The Dalles where OSU has 60 experimental trials of sweet cherry to freely gather scions for the scion exchange this weekend since my virus free source of sweet cherry donations from my yard are in minimal supply this year.

The bad news is that OSU grows all theirs on mazzard rootstocks. Being a root that tolerates being under cherry cultivars infected with prune dwarf virus in the cultivars it becomes likely another source of infection to be avoided when purchasing cherry krymsk from the exchanges anywhere. He would be willing to speak to any volunteer member for any additional questions. His recommendation is to seek other farmers that are growing cherry upon either of those two krymsk (5-6) root systems that are healthy and gather them from there.

However who are they and where? No OSU staff is going to give out personal information. The snow level is still very low and likely still in good condition in The Dalles, especially higher elevations. If possible will go get some.

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John S
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March 15, 2017 - 9:38 pm

Rooney, 

Have you found bush cherries that do well for you here locally?  I think of Alaska as a different climate. The cold may kill some of our nastier diseases or pests.  I am specifically interested in the one you mentioned, as it gets a lot of praise. Carmine Jewel? I am worried about disease and fruit productivity.

Thanks,
John S
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John S
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March 15, 2017 - 9:39 pm

I plan to bring the list of scions I said for people on Sunday. I should be there 9:30 to about 2 or 3. I am talking to you Jafar and Daniel.

John S
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DanielW
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March 16, 2017 - 3:46 pm

John, I will be at the book table Sunday am shift.  Hope to see you there!

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John S
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March 16, 2017 - 9:53 pm

See you there Daniel!
John S
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Rooney
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March 17, 2017 - 9:54 am

Hello John. Larry in Lebanon has some of my Carmine Jewels growing in the ground unsheltered and free of disease for lots of years but never any fruiting there. Mine in Alaska have problems when exposed to full sun and die out there. When I gave a few to my Alaskan neighbor they are happy growing in a shady area under spruce trees with some fruit but pollination issues. Here in Vancouver WA I have another 6 in 15 gallon pots in what I believe to be the only exposure they like to set fruit which have done very well. They are under eves on the south side of my single story house and 32" long eves. They get filtered sunlight through fruit trees that are much higher so pollinators usually miss seeing them. Therefore the only cherries I get are from hand crosses from my later blooming sweet cherry 'blackgold' tree further away. They are very happy and productive that way and require watering only every 3 weeks during hot spells, possibly an indication they have rooted very well through the pots by now.

Need one?

Hello Daniel. Any chance that you can bring me a section of 'toka' plum with flower buds? Toka is listed as a good pollinator even though hybrid plums are usually poor for that. I have other hardy plums that are prunus americana hybrids at home now that I would like to get crossed with it.

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March 18, 2017 - 8:03 am

John, I'll probably be sitting next to you at the Advice table.

Daniel, I hope I have my wits about me well enough to bring the scions I cut for you and for the exchange.  I'll be jet lagged.  I have Jefferson and Yakima for you, and some for the exchange.  Don't recall if I got any Chojuro, it had already been pruned. 

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DanielW
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March 18, 2017 - 8:51 am

Rooney, I'll try to get you some Toka with buds.  I will check them later today.

Jafar, don't stress about it.  If you forget, no problem.  Hope to see you there.

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John S
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March 18, 2017 - 10:55 pm

Rooney,

I'd love a carmine jewel cutting if you have one. If not, I can wait until another year. See you all tomorrow.

John S

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Rooney
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March 19, 2017 - 7:37 pm

John. I had to leave your full grown CJ in the south edge of the park that is just to the north of petsmart at the crossroads of Walker and whatever that connects north to 26 highway. Please claim it. 

Daniel. In the big event I forgot to ask people if you were there. I had been helping at the other end room all day grafting. The skill demostrated of the volunteers is high. Especially the proper guidance of after care what people are supposed to do afterwards when they go home. The krymsk 5 issue per my previous ppst was a non concern this year for cherry since I was probably doing most of the cherry.

Maybe next year all Krymsk 5 can be sold as a rootstock with a known virus free cherry scion tywrapped to it. Just my 2 cents.

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March 20, 2017 - 10:37 pm

Thanks Rooney.

I'll check on it tomorrow.

John

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