July 9, 2015
I bought an Early Fuyu Persimmon last fall, plopped it in the ground and when it leafed out this spring there were sprouts clearly from the rootstock, but nothing from the grafted part. The nursery was great and sent me a replacement, as is their policy for trees that don't leaf out. I didn't immediately toss the tree and later found a very small bud right at the graft union. It's really RIGHT at the union, so I can't tell if it's the rootstock sprouting again or the grafted portion finally trying to live. Is there any way at all to tell the difference between what has been grafted and the rootstock? I have no idea what kind of rootstock they are usually grafted on. I'd hate to throw it away if there is a chance in might be living. I don't want to just plant it and "wait and see".
The leaves look "persimmon-ish". But for all I know they are grafted onto a type of persimmon rootstock. Any help is appreciated!
March 16, 2015
Welcome to the forum.
From where did you buy the tree, One Green World? I think they call theirs Early Fuyu. Its a Kaki, or Asian Persimmon. Those will generally be grafted onto Diospyrus Virginiana or Lotus. If you let that bud grow, and compare it to the other leaves, you will likely be able to tell that it is different from the others if it is Early Fuyu and they are rootstock.
Do you have it in a pot?
If you allow it to get well established where you want it to grow, and learn that it is only rootstock, it can be grafted to another variety later. Grafting to an established tree is a big head start over transplanting a tree. Persimmons are a bit more of a challenge to graft than apples or pears, but doable.
March 16, 2015
Is the grafted part alive? Normally, if the graft doesn't take, the upper part looks dead. Persimmons grow slowly. That's why they're expensive. I had one tree that I thought wasn't growing. It now is probably my single favorite fruit tree. Garretson American persimmon. I had to get reassurance from the nursery that it was really growing and it was.
March 16, 2015
I’ve grown persimmons, too.. and they can be very slow to emerge… If there is a difference between the leaves from the rootstock shoots - and the shoot emerging from the graft union - that would indicate the stock above has been grafted ...and has survived
If so, I suggest allowing the energy from the root shoots be allowed to return to the root system this fall, then prune them off close to the trunk this winter and allow all stored energy to feed the upper grafted shoot next spring. As next season progresses snip off any new root shoots, and the ‘grafted shoot’ should emerge on time ...around the time local oak tree buds leaf out..
And as Jafar described (if the rootstock leaves match the top shoot leaves), you determine the graft did not take, it can be re-grafted.. Assuming your replacement tree did well, it could also become a source of scion wood... If not, the HOS grafting class and ‘Scion Exchange’ may be a worthwhile adventure
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