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Growing Fruit in Central Oregon
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Paul
Bend, OR
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July 30, 2016 - 10:43 am

I wanted to start a forum thread here for any Central Oregon fruit tree growers, or those around the world dealing with the challenges of high elevation, short growing seasons, and extreme temperatures.

I ran a small CSA in the Willamette Valley before moving to Central Oregon a few years ago.  After quickly discovering that the general approach to growing I had wasn't going to work very well here, it seemed like a good chance to take on a new challenge, and I shifted my focus from veggies to fruit trees.

My basic strategy is:

  • Pick cultivars that are late-blooming (to avoid frosts) and early ripening
  • Try a huge variety of fruits and cultivars, with the idea that many won't all work in any given season, but at least some of them will be optimal for the environmental conditions in any given year
  • Strategically place heat-tolerant or heat-loving fruits and cultivars in areas receiving afternoon sun, and protect trees more vulnerable to high heat in places that have afternoon shade
  • Use smaller rootstocks and espalier techniques on most of the trees to maximize productivity in a small space
  • Use drip irrigation in all cases to promote deep roots in a high desert climate where surface water evaporates quickly
  • Use compost to build water catch basins around the center of every tree, thus maximizing water savings and providing much needed organic matter to a soil that has very little by default
  • Use raised beds as necessary to raise tree roots up over the solid rock layer that is present at relatively shallow depths in the region

I've planted 30 fruit trees on my property in Bend as follows:

  • 17 apple trees
    • 2 Honeycrisp, pruned as bushes, semi-dwarf rootstock
    • 1 Golden Delicious, pruned as a bush, semi-dwarf rootstock
    • 14 trees in a Belgian fence espalier, all M26 rootstock, approximately 2 foot spacing, as follows:
    • Ashmead's Kernel
    • Bardsey
    • Evereste Crabapple
    • Ellison's Orange
    • Greensleeves
    • Johnny Appleseed
    • Karmijn de Sonnaville
    • King Edward VII
    • Mott's Pink
    • Newtown Pippin
    • Queen Cox
    • Roxbury Russet
    • Shizuka
    • Silken
  • 2 peach trees
    • Polly, semi-dwarf rootstock, pruned as bush
    • Contender, Lovell rootstock, pruned as fan against a building
  • 4 cherry trees
    • Lapins, semi-dwarf rootstock, pruned as half-standard
    • Rainier, semi-dwarf rootstock, pruned as bush
    • White Gold, G5 rootstock, pruned as fan on wires
    • Black Gold, G5 rootstock, pruned as fan on wires
  • 3 pear trees
    • White Doyenne, OHxF333 rootstock, pruned as traditional espalier on wires
    • Seckel, OHxF333 rootstock, pruned as traditional espalier on wires
    • Anjou/Rescue/Highland/Orcas multi-graft, OHxF87 rootstock, pruned as traditional espalier on wires
  • 2 plum trees
    • Stanley, semi-dwarf rootstock, pruned as bush
    • Parfume de September (Mirabelle), pruned as fan against a building
  • 1 persimmon tree
    • Ichi-Ki-Kei-Jiro Asian, pruned as fan against a fence
  • 1 fig tree
    • Chicago Hardy, pruned as fan against a fence

I'm also growing other fruits and berries as follows:

  • 9 gooseberries, pruned as single cordons
  • 6 blueberries
  • 3 thinleaf huckelberries
  • 3 kolomikta kiwi, pruned as fans
  • 4 black currants
  • 2 red currants, pruned as triple cordons
  • 2 pink currants, pruned as triple cordons
  • 1 white currant, pruned as a triple cordon
  • About 75 strawberries, mostly day-neutrals, but also Alpine and Musk wild varieties

I'm happy to learn from others about how to grow here successfully, and share with others what I've learned as well.

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Viron
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July 30, 2016 - 12:02 pm

Welcome, Paul, and good for you Cool  I’d once considered relocating to ‘Eastern/ Central Oregon,’ too, yet have now settled in SW Virginia.  Though I'll likely have little in common with your immediate concerns, here’s a topic thread from 3 months ago touching on ‘your area.’  

And, I’d like to have the efforts of our HOS FounderLarry McGraw, further utilized if possible.  Seems he’d made a similar move to yours, and came up with several cultivars better suited for the high elevation climate.

http://forums.homeorchardsocie.....elevation/

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Viron
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July 31, 2016 - 5:18 am

Hey Paul ...another thought regarding successful varieties for Eastern Oregon may come from checking into orchards on the far west side of Ontario, Oregon (east of you).  Heck, you might run an ad in their, or the Burns OR papers asking about old fruit trees.  Older folks (like the kind with that knowledge) still read newspapers Wink

Though lower in elevation near the Snake River, there are said to be many productive orchards in the Ontario area, including ‘Fruitland, Idaho.’  Just head toward Burns, asking about orchards and looking for hardy ol’ fruit trees.  

And I do hope several of our ..(I won’t say old) longtime members check in regarding their efforts and discoveries of old orchards and varieties on ‘your side.’

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John S
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August 1, 2016 - 2:32 pm

Viron said
  Older folks (like the kind with that knowledge) still read newspapers Wink

  

Hey, I resemble that statement.

You should have a much easier time growing peaches, nectarines, some bush cherries, and apricots over there than you did here.

John S
PDX OR

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Avella
La Grande, Oregon
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September 18, 2016 - 6:32 pm

Hi - I've been growing fruit in Eastern Oregon for 20 years ... 

My latest location is Avella Orchard in the city limits of La Grande (Zone 5-ish, 2800'), before that up on the breaks between the Grande Ronde and Minam/Wallowa rivers on Cricket Flats (extremely harsh climate, Zone 4-ish, 3500') ...

some suggestions and discoveries for short season/cold/high elevations -

Apples: #1 use standard rootstocks, preferably Antonovka 

       #2 go with the Russians (Alexander, Fameuse, Duchess of Oldenburg, Yellow Transparent, etc.) and descendants of them (Wolf River, Northwest Greening, etc.)

      #3  go with longterm survivors (my favorites include White Winter Pearmain,)

       #4 go with sturdy Americans (my favorites include Rhode Island Greening, Wealthy)

Apricots: I've been pleased and surprised by our old apricots (although uneven bearing) and also by one new addition : Montrose.  Puget Gold has repeatedly died out.

Peaches: in La Grande (Zone 5-ish), surprised and pleased by how well Polly White has done, also I've successfully grown Peregrine and Strawberry Free (both described as Zone 6) in protected area.

Pears: on Cricket Flats none of the "usual" European pears I planted had a long enough season to ripen, and only the earliest of Asian pears had time to ripen (but those were delectable!).  In La Grande we have a wide variety of European pears 🙂

Plums: all cold-hardy plums I planted did well on Cricket Flats (Z4). 

Surprises: Hall's Hardy Almond thrived on Cricket Flats (Zone 4-ish) blossoming and bearing nuts.

Disappointments: in La Grande (Z5)  lost our Chicago Hardy fig, persimmon, 2 Asian pears and a number of European and Asian plums on a bad year ...

Hope this helps start more conversations about east-side orcharding ... and orcharding in a time of climate change/disruption ...

   

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ralanko
Baker City, OR 3550ft elev
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September 22, 2016 - 9:30 pm

Hi, I've been trying to grow fruit for 20 years outside Baker City.

I strongly agree with Avella that standard rootstocks are the way to go. Dwarfs lack enough vigor to do well in harsh conditions, the last couple of ours died this year after languishing several years. One of them produced 3 apples. Total. The other never produced.

Semi-dwarfs have taken a long time, but are productive now (most took 10 years!). Standards produce after 3-5 yrs for us.

We initially planted early season apples, but I think that isn't necessary, pay more attention to bloom times. We get frosted out about half the time anyway, but have done ok with mid-season to slightly later apples. Peaches are very difficult but we have had 3 varieties ripen this year(lost the labels, red haven and another one was white). Apricots do wonderfully when surviving frosts. My favorite is Chinese(aka Mormon) for incredible flavor.

We've had some success sprinkling our blooming apricot trees, this year had sparse fruit on a tree blooming at 26-28 degrees for a several nights. I know someone who opted to string old fashioned Christmas lights on the branches to light overnight.

Cheers,

RA, Baker City

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Oriana
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February 4, 2019 - 11:52 am

Hi Paul, 

I just moved to Bend from California and am trying to figure out which varietals of apple, pear, plum and peach to plant in my yard here. I'm also planning to plant a bunch of berries. How have your trees done over the past few years? Do you have any suggestions for me? My experience is all from helping my parents, who have a vineyard and small home orchard in Napa, and I feel like my intuition is all off.

Thanks in advance!

Oriana, Bend

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Paul
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February 4, 2019 - 10:06 pm

Hi Oriana,

For the most part, my initial strategy I outlined above is working well, with a few exceptions.

First, what didn't work:

I took out the fig tree and the permission tree, replacing them with a Nadia cherry/plum hybrid and a Shiro asian plum.  The fig and the persimmon have frost-tender leaves, and in Central Oregon all the foliage can get wiped out two or three times each spring.  The trees themselves survived, but I knew they would either never produce fruit with all the frost damage, or it would take me 20 years of fighting.  I have limited space, so out they went.

The Kolomikta kiwi went too for the same reason (frost-tender foliage), since replaced by a Nikita's Pride almond and an Oracle Almond - both cold-hardy cultivars from the Ukraine.  They are growing great, and while they're probably too young to get many almonds this year, they are doing well.  I have them fan-trained in a curved shape to produce shade for a pathway, with wires trained along one side, and hanging above, the path.

The Rainier cherry was growing fine, but my kid needed room for a swingset, and something had to go to make room.

The Polly peach had a disease from the nursery that I didn't catch when I bought it - ironically a wet-weather condition that got imported into my very dry climate.  The Polly also grew very slowly.  I ripped it out and replaced it with an traditional Italian plum variety.

The Roxbury Russet apple never grew above the graft line - I suspect the graft was bad rather than a problem with the local conditions.  I replaced it with an Egremont Russet, which is doing much better.

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Now for what is working:

  • Apples
    • All of my apple varieties are doing well.  The Golden Delicious shows the most growth in the canopy size, while the Honeycrisps are producing the most quantity of fruit.  For the Belgian fence trees, Bardsey is easily the biggest, while Silken and the Evereste Crabapple have been the first to produce fruit.  I like the Silken apple for its unique white skin and flesh.  The size of the trees in the Belgian fence have been directly proportional to the available sunlight - more light = bigger trees.  You don't need a big rootstock to grow apples in Central Oregon, though I personally see no need to go smaller than M26 unless you are really pressed for space.
  • Peaches
    • My Contender peach is MASSIVE and is easily outgrowing every other tree I have (except one).  I have to prune it several times each year during the growing season just to keep it under control.  I definitely recommend this variety over any other cold-hardy peach in the Central Oregon climate.
    • I planted two Crimson Rocket columnar peaches to fill space along a fenceline.  They have established pretty well, though there is a fair amount of dieback that I have to prune out.  I suspect this is just one of the liabilities of such a rare type of peach tree that hasn't been significantly developed by breeders.  But as long as I cut out the dieback, it does fine.  It has more upright branches than it needs to fill its space anyway.
  • Cherries
    • The Lapins cherry tree is getting very tall (12 - 15 feet) on its Colt rootstock and produced some very nice cherries this season.  Aphids love to attack this one in my yard, so it's worth having a strategy to combat them as soon as you need them in late spring.  I'd recommend this variety for the region, both for its fruit and as a pollinator.  The only reason I use Colt is that a family member wanted me to grow a traditional tall cherry tree that resembled one in their parent's yard.  Otherwise, I'd use Gisela every time instead of Colt.
    • I added a Nugent cherry to my White Gold and Black Gold.  Gisela 3 rootstock is too small for Central Oregon soils...go for at least Gisela 5, or if you have a lot of room, Gisela 6 (as a Colt replacement).  I have these pruned as fans, though the newer technique of UFO (Upright Fruiting Offshoot) for two-dimensional training is brilliant in my opinion.  You can find videos from Dr. Greg Lang on the subject on YouTube.  For the UFO in Central Oregon, go for Gisela 5 or 6 rootstock.  I'm considering chopping the tops off of my sweet cherry fans and trying to convert them to UFOs.  In any case, sweet cherries on Gisela 3 or 5 rootstocks grow slowly in Central Oregon.
    • I've planted five pie (sour) cherry trees - two of North Star, one of Morello, one of Surefire, and one of Evans.  They are fan-trained and are planted in near total shade - maybe two to three hours of sun per day - and are doing very well so far.  Evans and Surefire are growing the fastest for sure, and are the two varieties I'd recommend, though if you are low on space than North Star is a good choice too.  The Morello is struggling a little compared to the others. 
  • Plums
    • Plums work great around here.  Stanley is an old standby that produces a solid tree with tons of plums for drying.  But my biggest recommendation is Parfume de September (Mirabelle) - fantastic little orange plums with a complex floral quality that are my favorite fruit in the entire garden.  My other plums are too young to fruit yet, though I have to say the Shiro Asian plum has the fastest rate of growth of anything in my garden - faster than even the Contender peach.  Bodes well for the future.
  • Pears
    • The Anjou and Highland varieties have shown the strongest growth on my multi-graft tree, while the standalone Seckel is doing better than the White Doyenne (which I knew was a long shot in this climate, but it has a solid reputation among cooks so I'm trying it anyway.
    • I added a Harrow Delight and a Summer Blood Birne this year as experiments.  Both are still getting established.
  • Berries
    • Blueberries do well if you create a custom mix for them to grow in - there is no way the native soils would work.  I use about half peat moss, half wood chips, with a little compost and a lot of nitrogen and phosphorus fertilizer thrown in.
    • My Seascape strawberries do very well, though my Tristars really have a tough time consistently producing.  I'm almost certainly going to take out the Tristars this spring. I got some Albions established this year that are doing well and spreading all over.
    • White, pink, red, and blackcurrants are all doing great.  Currants are nice because they can do well in the shade.  Some currants (not the ones I'm growing) are native to the area, so there is some natural affinity for currants in general in the region.

Biggest rules to follow in our region for fruit trees: get the latest flowering you can, and the earliest ripening.

If you have space, go for multiple cultivars within each fruit type to maximize the chance that you'll get some fruit and can work around the frosts.

Finally, nitrogen, phosphorus, and organic matter are all VERY low in most native soil around here, and pH is high.  So, add some of things these along with something like elemental sulfur and some azomite for micronutrients you'll be in a decent starting place.  Bedrock is generally about two feet down, so planting trees in raised beds is a good idea (almost every one of my trees is in its own raised bed, so I have at least three feet of soil instead of two).

If you're really ambitious you can mix a ratio of about 95% compost and 5% clay and use that to amend the soil in your raised beds to improve water and nutrient retention - it's very sandy around here.  Distributing the clay through the compost helps prevent you from making concrete (by mixing the clay directly with the sand).

Local nurseries with fruit trees are Eastside Gardens and Landsystems Nursery.  Both are fine choices, though they don't have a massive selection, and tend to carry more commercially popular varieties.  You also have no control over rootstock selection with them, and the trees will be too big to shape into any kind of espalier or fan shape.  I have purchased most of my trees through Raintree Nursery and had them shipped to me from their location in SW Washington state ( http://www.raintreenursery.com ).

That's a very long update that I hope helps you get started.  If you want to come check out what I have in person and chat that way, I'm happy to do so.  Probably waiting at least until the snow melts makes sense, so you could see things actually starting to grow in the spring.  Just send me a message with your contact info if you want.

Peace,
Paul

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John S
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February 5, 2019 - 9:43 pm

I have seen Montmorency pie cherries do really well in Lakeview, the tallest town in Oregon.

John S
PDX OR

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Oriana
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February 5, 2019 - 10:44 pm

Hi, Paul.

Thanks so much for the amazing update. I'm digesting it now and making plans. I'll definitely use some of your thriving varietals. I'll plan to report back here once I have more to share.

I was particularly happy to learn about Raintree Nursery. All of the more heritage-y nurseries that I'd found through google were in the South.

What is your take on an Arkansas Black apple tree?

I'll also DM you to arrange a visit; thanks very much for the offer!

Oriana

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John S
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February 8, 2019 - 2:37 pm

Oriana,

I would also look at BUrnt Ridge nursery in Onalaska, WA

and One Green World in Molalla/Porltand.

John S
PDX OR

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buzzoff
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February 8, 2019 - 5:34 pm

Short season?  High elevation?

 

I can't promise, but maybe "Lady" will survive.  A very choice apple, that ripens nicely in storage.

My Great-Grand parents had an orchard, high in the Sierras.

Lady apples ripened very late.  Where-upon they were shipped by train (to Stockton?).  And thereafter, by ship (Clipper Ship?) to China.

Nice Christmas Apple, Lady.  Usta hang 'em on the Christmas Tree, as ornaments.

MacIntosh is also a possibility.  Kinda early for us Valley Folk.

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